Controversial The IMDF Conflict Zone!

ant-mac

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I suppose the thought behind using that song was to tie in with what happens in episode 2, and Nathan's reaction to it. I'll say no more, spoiler!
Heywood 's rock score throughout the show was innovative.
I've just compared the title sequence with Moonbase 3. Very similar, must be deliberate.
I've always felt that those two TV shows are quite similar in overall atmosphere - pardon the pun - and feel.

I'd like to think they occur in the same universe.
 

michaellevenson

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Staff member
I've always felt that those two TV shows are quite similar in overall atmosphere - pardon the pun - and feel.

I'd like to think they occur in the same universe.
Agree, the first Moon community (Moonbase 3) purely research and controlled by governments and military, though both are largely missing from both shows, then twenty or so years later commercial enterprises move 'out there ' not "up there" as we are informed to say, and the Star Cops becomes necessary.
Boucher must have had Moonbase 3 in mind when formulating his show.
 
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Cloister56

Member: Rank 3
Hey everyone.
Firstly I have to offer an apology. I am sorry I'd didn't keep up with the series all the way. I made an attempt to catch up but then changed jobs and my time was greatly curtailed. It's no excuse for not posting earlier,
I did intend to catch up and rejoin Twin Peaks but the weeks went by and I logged in to see to my horror you had already reached "By the Numbers"

I would like to rejoin if you would all be happy for me to do so and if you plan to carry on. My work is much more predictable now so I am confident that won't be an issue. I am happy to go with whatever series the group decides on.

On a side note I still have never finished series 2 of Twin Peaks and that's despite the fact I was finding it interesting and for the most part enjoyable.
 

Mad-Pac

Member: Rank 5
What's ahead for the Sages?


I just thought we needed a closing thread to make things official. Either we continue in some form or enjoy the memory what we've done along these years. I had to admit it was hard to finish Twin Peaks and I had trouble to find motivation to do it, and a different show would change some things.

I think that if we decide to approach another show, we'd need to face three issues:
  • This forum is great, but it doesn't have enough traffic. Either we should find ways to get people here or move to another place.
  • It would be necessary to tell people about our activities in communities of the show being covered.
  • Find new ways to cover the shows. For instance, I'm giving serious thought to organize a Youtube channel and one of the topics would be TV reviews. My planning is still in the early stages, and at the proper place and time I'll be glad to explain what my plans are. I just think that somehow I could connect my idea of making videos and the written commenting we've done all this time.

The fun thing of having a group involved in this fun sharing experience is that it defies the notion of time and memory. let me explain. Each time I think about making comments on cancelled shows, I think this is either something I've recently but also along, long time ago. This activity has connected different phases of my life and my online presence associated with them. So much has changed with me since I got involved back in 2011 I think that I find it hard to believe this forum here could have any connection with whatever the heck I was doing in the beginning of the decade.

But, you know, as they say, all good things must come to an end, and this has no exception. Not to get morbid, I remember my first online group (an email list) and I was part of it forever (technically still is) and even if we refused to move on we had to face changes when people literally started... dying. (Sorry if I sound morbid.)

Anyway, let's leave this thread open for a while so we can share new ideas.
 
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Mad-Pac

Member: Rank 5
Hey everyone.
Firstly I have to offer an apology. I am sorry I'd didn't keep up with the series all the way. I made an attempt to catch up but then changed jobs and my time was greatly curtailed. It's no excuse for not posting earlier,
I did intend to catch up and rejoin Twin Peaks but the weeks went by and I logged in to see to my horror you had already reached "By the Numbers"

I would like to rejoin if you would all be happy for me to do so and if you plan to carry on. My work is much more predictable now so I am confident that won't be an issue. I am happy to go with whatever series the group decides on.

On a side note I still have never finished series 2 of Twin Peaks and that's despite the fact I was finding it interesting and for the most part enjoyable.
So nice to hear from you again! I'm glad at least you gave us an explanation of why you had vanished. Most people simply just go. This is normal and expected. My only issue here is that some newcomers made a big fuss about giving the group a name (something that was never considered or necessary for several years, but I thought that would be a good idea to motivate the group), then they suggested names, voted, defended their choices... and then vanished.

But this is all part of the game. Now let's just relax and consider without stress the possible options for our situation.
 

michaellevenson

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Staff member
Good luck in whatever you decide. We can all be a bit blasé in what we do here. Communicating with others around the world instantaneously about our favourite shows, it's incredible, even thirty years ago probably unimaginable. However this medium evolves all the time, people now binge watch and diversify , dip in and out of shows, watch a plethora of shows. I don't know if a dedicated tight knit group is possible whatever forum you're on. Anyway good luck to you , thanks for your work and dedication.
Recent posts have proved that there's a number of us who would be interested in contributing to a watch of Blakes7 or Star Cops , yourself and Brimfin's views would be fascinating as the two of you write so eloquently.
The best to you , cheers.
Here's another little plug for Blakes7, a show that is so amazing it can even be set to music by Benny Hill - I kid you not!
 
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Brimfin

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Wow. Where do I start on all these replies?

Michaellevenson said:
Hi there Mad Pac, yep me again. Just wanted to say how much I enjoyed my time in the Sages, and appreciated all your good work and Brimfin's too. You're right, Twin Peaks wasn't the best for the group, I watched it about five years ago, full of expectation, but gave up after 10 episodes. I thought it was pretty self indulgent, which is a shame because Eraserhead and Mulholland Drive are two of my favorite movies so I had high hopes of David Lynch.
Glad to hear from you again. I was hoping it would be a better show too from some of the critical reviews but…well, it just wasn’t

Michaellevenson said:
Doctor Omega and myself have gone through all 52 episodes of Blakes7 and all 9 of Star Cops ( in the cult tv forum) we'd love to have you join in at your own pace, the threads are already there giving you a bit of a rest and there's quite a few of us B7 -ites that would join in.
Anyway that's up to you ,whatever you decide , good luck thanks again for your dedication to the group over the years.
Would consider it, but right now I’m trying to finish up BATTLESTAR: GALACTICA (2003). Maybe afterward – have 17 episodes left to go.

Michaellevenson said:
Pity The Sages seem to be down to two, what happened I think is that when IMDB message board folded the members found various different sites so the break up of various little fan groups was inevitable.
I was thinking along the same lines about IMDB. They still have more individual show information than any other site and were a natural place for message boards. Now that they took those away, some places have some message board activity but not nearly the same volume as IMDB once had. Ironically, we thought maybe we’d pick up some new members watching a show as well-known as TWIN PEAKS; instead we just lost members. But I don’t think any other board would have produced much different results.

Mad-pac said:
I have no problems with self indulgence. To me what killed the show was the soap opera format.

First, nothing ever got concluded in one episode unless it was the end of some plot line, so I never had what to review until something actually happened.

Second, there were too much drama and too many corny and unconvincing romantic moments just like in a soap opera.

Another problem is that this wasn't a cancelled show as I'd thought. It stops in a cliffhanger than there's a movie, then another season or a sequel depending on who you ask.
Third, I thought this show would bring new people because of its cult status, but so much bad stuff happened that this became a moot point.
I have to disagree on one point there. The show was cancelled back in 1991. The decision to end on a cliffhanger just meant they thought they still had a chance at renewal; a more common failing than it should be. When the news of the TWIN PEAKS movie came out, fans thought it might complete the series but instead it was a prequel, which seemed like a pretty idiotic move. It flopped and nothing else happened until the surprise revival of the series early last year. It’s not like it was all mapped out to go that route from the beginning. I agree with the rest of your points though.

cloister56 said:
Hey everyone.
Firstly I have to offer an apology. I am sorry I'd didn't keep up with the series all the way. I made an attempt to catch up but then changed jobs and my time was greatly curtailed. It's no excuse for not posting earlier,
Hey, it’s okay. Life happens. Just glad you didn’t forget us completely.

cloister56 said:
I would like to rejoin if you would all be happy for me to do so and if you plan to carry on. My work is much more predictable now so I am confident that won't be an issue. I am happy to go with whatever series the group decides on.
Mad-pac and I haven’t discussed that issue yet. I’m still willing to go on. It’s been a fun experience, and it would be nicer to not have it die from TWIN PEAKS exhaustion. If there’s still 3 of us at least, I think it would make a nice variety of opinions. By the way, STAR COPS might be a nice show to do next. At least it’s short. And hey, I love the Moody Blues. My wife and I have seen them in concert twice. “In Your Wildest Dreams” is our favorite MB song.
 

ant-mac

Member: Rank 9
Mad-pac and I haven’t discussed that issue yet. I’m still willing to go on. It’s been a fun experience, and it would be nicer to not have it die from TWIN PEAKS exhaustion. If there’s still 3 of us at least, I think it would make a nice variety of opinions. By the way, STAR COPS might be a nice show to do next. At least it’s short. And hey, I love the Moody Blues. My wife and I have seen them in concert twice. “In Your Wildest Dreams” is our favorite MB song.
Well, I'd be interested in doing STAR COPS - 9 episodes. I'm pretty sure that @Doctor Omega and @michaellevenson would also be interested, so there's 3 people to begin with. If this was followed by BLAKE'S 7 - 52 episodes - and SURVIVORS (1975) - 38 episodes - I think the three of us would remain keen to continue.

So it'd just depend upon who else would be interested in participating and what other ideas or suggestions were offered for consideration.

I certainly think there's potential for further discussion on the subject.
 

Cloister56

Member: Rank 3
Mad-pac and I haven’t discussed that issue yet. I’m still willing to go on. It’s been a fun experience, and it would be nicer to not have it die from TWIN PEAKS exhaustion. If there’s still 3 of us at least, I think it would make a nice variety of opinions. By the way, STAR COPS might be a nice show to do next. At least it’s short. And hey, I love the Moody Blues. My wife and I have seen them in concert twice. “In Your Wildest Dreams” is our favorite MB song.
Thank you for your reply.
I remember Star Cops being mentioned before, never watched it. Though having read through this thread, the mention that it bears similarities to Moonbase 3 has me very interested. I loved that show, I only gave it a go a year ago. The first episode was amazing, it reminds me popular story about taking responsibility:

This is a little story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody.

There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebodywould do it.

Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.

Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody's job.

Everybody thought that Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybodywouldn't do it.

It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done.

And the phrase "Not my Pigeon" such a great way to say "Well it's not my job" and utterly destroyed by Caulder.
 

Mad-Pac

Member: Rank 5
Well, I'd be interested in doing STAR COPS - 9 episodes. I'm pretty sure that @Doctor Omega and @michaellevenson would also be interested, so there's 3 people to begin with. If this was followed by BLAKE'S 7 - 52 episodes - and SURVIVORS (1975) - 38 episodes - I think the three of us would remain keen to continue.
Star Cops would be a good option with 9 episodes, but then I doubt you guys would follow us if we chose something completely different after that, so this would be just delaying the inevitable. And 90 episodes for Blake's + Survivors? Committing to 90 episodes of a show I'm not exactly crazy about sounds totally insane and would never work for me.
 

Cloister56

Member: Rank 3
So nice to hear from you again! I'm glad at least you gave us an explanation of why you had vanished. Most people simply just go. This is normal and expected. My only issue here is that some newcomers made a big fuss about giving the group a name (something that was never considered or necessary for several years, but I thought that would be a good idea to motivate the group), then they suggested names, voted, defended their choices... and then vanished.

But this is all part of the game. Now let's just relax and consider without stress the possible options for our situation.
Thank you for your reply.

I notice in the other thread (by the numbers) a few forum regulars suggesting Star Cops. I think it's come up as a suggestion before.
They seemed keen to join in on it.
 

Cloister56

Member: Rank 3
Star Cops would be a good option with 9 episodes, but then I doubt you guys would follow us if we chose something completely different after that, so this would be just delaying the inevitable. And 90 episodes for Blake's + Survivors? Committing to 90 episodes of a show I'm not exactly crazy about sounds totally insane and would never work for me.
Sorry replied in the other thread as well. I guess Star Cops might be a nice holiday, keep things going, more people involved. For the longer term we can still debate on the other threads while that goes on.
 

Mad-Pac

Member: Rank 5
I have to disagree on one point there. The show was cancelled back in 1991. The decision to end on a cliffhanger just meant they thought they still had a chance at renewal; a more common failing than it should be.
Well, I'd have to check the rest of the Twin Peaks material to form a better opinion, and I don't intend to do that soon. Anyway, what's done is done.

By the way, STAR COPS might be a nice show to do next. At least it’s short.
Yeah, as I said above, that could be a good option, but these guys are hard into British shows, and some pretty long ones. I'd be perfectly fine with Star Cops with that meant open possibilities for afterwards, but that doesn't seem the case.
 

Mad-Pac

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Sorry replied in the other thread as well. I guess Star Cops might be a nice holiday, keep things going, more people involved. For the longer term we can still debate on the other threads while that goes on.
If you, Brimfin and I can still choose a different show after Star Cops, whether the Brits would come along or not, then Star Cops would be an welcome change of pace. I'd go for it.
 

Mad-Pac

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Sorry replied in the other thread as well. I guess Star Cops might be a nice holiday, keep things going, more people involved. For the longer term we can still debate on the other threads while that goes on.
I created the other thread because it would be cleaner and less confusing, but apparently people chose to continue in the "by the numbers" thread.
 

Mad-Pac

Member: Rank 5
Thank you for your reply.

I notice in the other thread (by the numbers) a few forum regulars suggesting Star Cops. I think it's come up as a suggestion before.
They seemed keen to join in on it.
Again, I created the other thread because it would be cleaner and less confusing, but apparently people chose to continue in the "by the numbers" thread. Personally I think that one is getting cluttered, so I'll keep an eye on both threads and reply on where it's more pertinent.

As I said there, if you, Brimfin and I can choose a different short show next, I'd go with Star Cops now.
 

Cloister56

Member: Rank 3
If you, Brimfin and I can still choose a different show after Star Cops, whether the Brits would come along or not, then Star Cops would be an welcome change of pace. I'd go for it.
Just in case I've order a copy of the show. The other "methods" to acquire it are failing me at the moment. Should have a copy by the 6th Feb at the latest (darn non prime seller).
If we don't decide to go with it then at least I will still have a copy to watch at some point.
 

Mad-Pac

Member: Rank 5
Just in case I've order a copy of the show. The other "methods" to acquire it are failing me at the moment. Should have a copy by the 6th Feb at the latest (darn non prime seller).
If we don't decide to go with it then at least I will still have a copy to watch at some point.
You don't even have access to Youtube?
 

ant-mac

Member: Rank 9
Star Cops would be a good option with 9 episodes, but then I doubt you guys would follow us if we chose something completely different after that, so this would be just delaying the inevitable. And 90 episodes for Blake's + Survivors? Committing to 90 episodes of a show I'm not exactly crazy about sounds totally insane and would never work for me.
Which is why I also stated...
So it'd just depend upon who else would be interested in participating and what other ideas or suggestions were offered for consideration.
I'm open to any and all suggestions. It just depends on whether or not I can access the TV series to view it.

Also, I've no problem with the majority of TV series you've viewed before TWIN PEAKS and I personally have a broad range of viewing tastes. These cover a wide range national origins, themes and topics and decades of production, so I'm not quite sure how something "completely different" from STAR COPS would be a problem.

As I've already said, it just depends on whether or not I can access the TV series to view it.
 
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