Review Alien: Covenant (2017)

Doctor Omega

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‘Alien: Covenant’ Review – Better Than ‘Prometheus’ But Lacks True Scares

By Chris Tilly


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An In-Depth Review.....



In this sequel to Prometheus that also serves as something of a prequel to Alien, the crew of the Covenant head for a planet on the far side of the galaxy on a mission to colonise. A rogue transmission tempts them to make a pit-stop elsewhere however, and when they touch-down, all hell breaks loose, the crew becoming embroiled in a deadly fight to survive.


Righting the Wrongs of Prometheus

Prometheus - Ridley Scott's last Alien movie – was a frustrating viewing experience, the film filled with great ideas and concepts, but scuppered by some terrible characterisation and a plot that asked big, philosophical questions, then failed to answer them.

Alien: Covenant improves upon its predecessor, making use of what worked and discarding the material that didn't. But it's still light years away from the brilliance of the first two films in the franchise, because try as it might, Covenant lacks the genuine scares of the original Alien, the operatic action of its sequel Aliens, and that all-important ingredient – Ellen Ripley.


Establishing the Crew

Following a brief prologue that sets up the film's major themes, Covenant begins as all Alien films begin, by introducing the crew. And what sets them apart from previous Alien crews is they are couples, their mission to colonise a distant planet.

When we meet the team they are in a state of shock however, an accident waking them from hyper-sleep seven years early, and incinerating one of their number. The captain no less. Billy Crudup's Oram steps up to take charge, though his religious beliefs mean the crew is loathe to trust him, thereby setting in motion a debate between science and religion that continues throughout the movie.

His faith convinces Oram to take notice of the rogue transmission the Covenant receives, directing the ship to a planet that appears out of nowhere, and apparently fulfils all their needs. But it sounds like it's too good to be true. And of course, it is.

Katherine Waterson is introduced as the film's other human protagonist, Daniels. The dead captain was her husband, and suddenly alone, Daniels starts to question her reasons for being on the mission, allowing the film to explore another of its major themes, that of love vs duty.

Both actors deliver solid performances, though for much of the film they are given little to do. As are the rest of the crew of the Covenant; nameless, faceless folk popping up only to be killed off. Danny McBride's Tennessee is the sole supporting player who really makes any kind of impact, though that's largely because he's Danny McBride.

Fassbender Dominates

But as with Prometheus, the real star of the show is Michael Fassbender. In that film, he played the somewhat sinister android, David. Here he again plays an android, but Walter is a good deal more affable, his American accent less ominous than David's cut-glass English tones.

Walter assists the crew on their mission, and also helps Daniels through the grieving process, appearing to develop feelings for her, which Fassbender masterfully emotes in minimalist fashion.

But it's via several twists and turns – which we won't spoil here – that the actor is truly allowed to shine, making the film feel like it could be taking place in Ridley Scott's Blade Runner universe as much as the Alien series.

Fassbender comes to dominate proceedings, and while there are times when it feels like he's somewhat hamming it up – especially when the film gets to the business of answering those big questions – his scenes are frequently the film's most engaging.

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As for the aliens themselves, they've never looked or moved better, and as ever are the stuff of true nightmares. These aren't the creatures that the crew of the Prometheus was dealing with. Nor are they the fully-formed xenomorphs that Ripley battles. Rather they are something in-between, with a startling look, lightening speed, and a new means of entering the carrier that will have you reaching for the sick-bag.

Their first appearance is a brilliantly realised set-piece that perfectly combines action and horror. Scott expertly ratchets up the tension, the escalation of violence mirroring the crew's gradual realisation of what they are dealing with.

Unfortunately, it's the best such sequence, with the horrific scenes more gory than scary, and the action visually impressive, but failing to quicken the pulse. Indeed at times, it feels like the film is going through the motions, following a template and hitting the beats required of an Alien movie. That's particularly noticeable in the film's final few scenes, which pit Daniels against a particularly irate alien, and which feel like they could have been transplanted from any one of Covenant's predecessors.


Is Alien: Covenant Good?



In avoiding the pitfalls of Prometheus, Alien: Covenant is a vast improvement. Screenwriters John Logan and Dante Harper had the unenviable task of tying up that movie's loose ends while at the same time telling a new story in their own right. And in both respects, they've done a commendable job.

There are times when the film is both exciting and engaging, and some of the cod philosophy and psychology is even pretty thought-provoking. Though I'm still not sure anyone other than the filmmakers was asking the questions that Covenant answers.

But there's a Ripley-shaped hole in the heart of proceedings. Noomi Rapace's Elizabeth Shaw was charged with the task of carrying the fight to the aliens in the last film, and did a competent job. It's Katherine Waterson's duty as Daniels here, and again she's just fine.

But an Alien movie needs more than that. We're dealing with the deadliest creature in the universe, and that demands more than just fine. It needs an actress with the presence and charisma of Sigourney Weaver. And a character as compelling and engaging as Ellen Ripley. In short, you need a hero that's worthy of such a villain.

Without Ripley, and in spite of a solid storyline, some terrific visuals, and an enjoyably over-the-top performance from Fassbender, you can't help but feel it's just another sci-fi film in space.


 
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Doctor Omega

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Alien: Covenant review – Ridley Scott's latest space exploration feels all too familiar

Scott’s sequel to the Prometheus prequel is capably made but plays like a greatest-hits compilation of the original films’ freakiest moments


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It’s back, with its vicious little fangs, squidgily formless body and nasty receding skull that swoops and tapers down the back of its neck, like the helmet of an Olympic cyclist. Ridley Scott’s parasitic space alien has returned for this watchable if unoriginal sci-fi thriller — though it doesn’t grow all that much these days. Michael Fassbender is back, too, as the creepy deadpan robot who glides around in the style of a Jeeves/Lecter hybrid, wearing a tight-fitting outfit apparently made out of nylon, and in which he appears as flat-fronted in the trouser department as Barbie’s boyfriend Ken. And Scott himself has again returned to the helm of the Alien franchise he effectively created with the first film in 1979, before ceding directorial control to James Cameron, David Fincher and Jean-Pierre Jeunet for the sequels, and others for the novelty bouts with Predator.

This movie is a sequel to the prequel Prometheus, which Scott directed in 2012, a movie that was there supposedly to set up the events in the first film, all about a space quest for mankind’s Däniken-esque origin on other planets. Prometheus was set in 2094; this is happening 10 years later, in 2104, with a colonist ship, called the Covenant, travelling for years through space, intended to set up a plantation on a distant world which appears to have the means to support human life. But the terrified crew encounter an awful truth about the Prometheus, as well as a sharp-toothed, uninvited little guest.


Of course, it is futile to concern yourself with the timeline of the Alien films when effectively they are happening in parallel, not in sequence. They are variations on the same theme. The one change is that Prometheus and Alien: Covenant take the legendary android reveal at the end of the first Alien, and matter-of-factly incorporate it into the prequels as part of the establishing premise.

This film inflates Fassbender’s robot role hugely. He first appears in an eerie, interesting opening sequence which the rest of the film cannot really match: a huge white room, with a grand piano, a panorama-window showing some generic alpine landscape, a full-scale model of Michelangelo’s David, and other high-art objects. There we find Fassbender’s robot being questioned by his testy scientist-creator Peter Weyland (Guy Pearce) and invited to choose a name for himself, the robot hubristically says David, after the statue.


Inspired by his own achievement in fashioning this humanoid robot, Weyland himself insists that there must be a creationist meaning and purpose to the universe, a religious theme that is, vaguely, to recur. In Prometheus, Noomi Rapace’s space voyager Dr Elizabeth Shaw wore a cross around her neck; in Alien: Covenant a crew member wears the cross of David. It could be a reference to the robot’s name.

But when we recognise this robot again, on board the Covenant, there are some immediately obvious changes, whose point is revealed later. A freak electrical storm awakens the crew prematurely from their artificial hibernation (rather as in the movie Passengers, with Chris Pratt and Jennifer Lawrence, which riffed on the idea slightly more interestingly) and a calamity means that the unlikable rationalist Oram (Billy Crudup) is promoted to captain, with Daniels (Katherine Waterston) and Tennessee (Danny McBride) his immediate subordinates. The catastrophe means his crew are reluctant to resume their deep sleep and instead become fixated on an alternative possibility: another planet, hardly a few weeks’ voyage from their current position, on which there appears to be evidence of human life and which presents itself as a ready-made new home.

Should they chance everything by going down and taking a look? Should they, much more to the point, walk around down there without their protective helmets and spacesuits on, so that evil spores from little pod-like growths can get into their ear canals and up their noses? Have these people learned nothing at all?

Just as in Prometheus, the action is opened out from the claustrophobic confines of the spaceship to the vast prospects of a distant planet, which turns out to be a mix of Pompeii and Easter Island. There is a wonderful long shot of the explorers in the darkness of this planet, the tiny green beams of their torches darting around them.

The vu has never been so déja: it’s a greatest-hits compilation of the other Alienfilms’ freaky moments. The paradox is that though you are intended to recognise these touches, you won’t really be impressed unless you happen to be seeing them for the first time. For all this, the film is very capably made, with forceful, potent performances from Waterston and Fassbender. That franchise title is, however, looking increasingly wrong. It is a bit familiar.
 
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Doctor Omega

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Alien: Covenant review: a terrifying return to horror that doesn’t quite click

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When Ridley Scott returned to the Alien franchise with 2012’s Prometheus, one of the primary criticisms was that the film wasn’t really, well, Alien-esque. Rather than build upon the sci-fi / horror formula he had created in 1979, Scott went in a different direction with a film that was much more concerned with questions about the origins of humanity and our place in the universe. It was an intentional shift, with Scott even saying at the time that the film shouldn’t be taken as a direct prequel to his previous work, but that didn’t do much to curb audience expectations.

For his new sequel to Prometheus, Scott has made the decision to go back to his roots. From the title to the marketing, Alien: Covenant has been framed as a direct descendent of the original, with one thing in mind above all others: scaring the hell out of the audience. The visceral footage previewed at SXSW earlier this year only seemed to underscore the idea that this was going to be a brutal, gory Alien, much closer to the film that fans wanted five years than the ponderous, often convoluted story they got.

For long stretches Alien: Covenant delivers on that promise. It’s a film full of terrifying, heart-pounding terror, on par with some of the best work in Scott’s career. But it’s also a movie stuck between modes, mixing that horror with the same pseudo-intellectual pondering that ground things to a halt last time. The result is a film that is a welcome improvement over Prometheus, but perhaps not the home run that sci-fi and horror fans might have been hoping for.

Warning: mild spoilers for Alien: Covenant to follow.



The film picks up 10 years after the events of Prometheus, with the ship Covenant making a years-long journey through space. With 2,000 colonists in cryosleep and bevy of human embryos on board, its mission is to reach the distant planet Origae-6 and set up a new outpost, spreading humanity’s reach across the galaxy. Monitoring the ship during the trip is Walter (Michael Fassbender), an upgraded model of the synthetic human Fassbender played in the previous film. A wave of energy from a nearby star ends up assaulting the ship, waking the crew up from their sleep pods and killing the ship’s captain (James Franco, who is in the film for no more than a single shot before being burned alive).


Stepping into the leadership vacuum is Oram (Billy Crudup), and when the crew receives a transmission from a nearby planet that might be an even better fit for their colonization mission, he directs the Covenant to the planet to investigate. Daniels (Katherine Waterston), the dead captain’s wife, argues against it, but is ultimately overruled. When the Covenant crew lands on the new planet, they find an incredibly Earth-like environment, but as they start to explore they discover a world of horrors they could never have anticipated.

From the early moments of Covenant, it’s obvious that Scott and his collaborators want this movie to feel like an Alien film. Themes from original composer Jerry Goldsmith’s score surface early on, and the entire pacing of the film feels like a nod to what has come before. (One sequence towards the end of the film even plays like a 7-minute supercut of the original.) Meeting the crew of the Covenant only strengthens that connection. Characters like the pilot Tennessee (Danny McBride), and his no-nonsense wife, Faris (Amy Seimetz) are human and relatable, calling back to the “truckers in space” vibe that made the original Alien such a novel break from sci-fi convention in the first place.


When it comes time for the monsters to reveal themselves and wreak havok, however, Scott doesn’t just prove that he’s still able to call upon the horror sensibilities that served him before. He takes the opportunity to show off how much he’s learned in the past 38 years, turning up the tension and squirm-in-your-seat anxiety to the point where it’s nearly unbearable at times. One of the posters for Alien: Covenant features just the face of the infamous xenomorph along with the word “run”, and that juxtaposition perfectly encapsulates the film’s best moments. When it’s humming, Alien: Covenant isn’t just a return to sci-fi horror. It’s quite nearly the perfect sequel, hitting every hoped-for franchise beat effortlessly. In a word, it is terrifying.

If only the rest of the film was able to execute its objectives with such flair. Scott may be interested in horror, but he is also interested in picking up the larger thematic questions he toyed with in Prometheus — and once again, they stop the film dead in its tracks. It’s not that these ideas aren’t welcome. Alien: Covenant has some legitimately fascinating notions about artificial intelligence, and how humanity’s search to know things beyond our grasp could ultimately prove to be our undoing. These concepts toy with the Alien mythology, upending it and giving it a spin, to the point where everything audiences have known since 1979 is suddenly called into question. But it often feels like there are two different movies spliced together, resulting in an odd and awkward mix of tones, with each undermining the other.


Scott has said is already written, will connect the dots, but that doesn’t do much for audiences buying tickets for Covenant).

When compared to Prometheus, there is no doubt that Alien: Covenant is a massive improvement. The scares are some of the best the entire series has to offer, and on that criteria alone it can probably be considered a success. But there’s no escaping the fact that as a standalone film, Covenant is wanting, neither truly making its own thematic points nor carving out its own unique place in the legacy of the franchise. It’s an expanded universe movie, one whose meaning can only be determined when viewed alongside all other installments — including those yet to be made.

The problem is that the Alien franchise started in an age where sequels could be complete films unto themselves — in fact, James Cameron’s Aliens is considered by many to be one of the best sequels ever made. That is simply not the same kind of cinematic landscape we find ourselves in today, so perhaps something like Alien: Covenant is the best we can hope for. That said, I’d like to think that Scott has one more truly great Alien movie left in him somewhere. Maybe we’ll get it next time.
 
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Gavin

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I am detecting a luke-warm pattern here..... :emoji_disappointed:
Part of me suspects that it's impossible to make a movie that's anything but "just ok" when it's part of a series that had such a good start with its first two movies. What are the odds of having a series with three top quality "classic" movies?
 

Elessar

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I am detecting a luke-warm pattern here..... :emoji_disappointed:
Would you like something not luke-warm?
I'll offer my own review, which will be very strong.

I watched it today, at an Alien marathon and premiere which includes Alien, Aliens, Prometheus and Covenant.
It's the first time I watched the first 2 on big screen. Oh how gloriously they scare the sh*t out of me though I have known all details. And they are vastly superior to the last 2 entries of the marathon (not the series).

Every dang time I watched Prometheus I felt like the human was going backward: astronauts and scientists in that future are much dumber and assholier then they are nowadays. But, at least Prometheus was eerie and entertaining.
Now, when I watched Covenant, that backward feeling was definitely there: it's even dumber than Prometheus. You said it's scary? I don't feel scared once in the whole length of it, and I'm a very easily scared person, usually jumped at a rat running by. It's not scary, it's just gore, it's so gore that the 2 guys on my 2 sides gasped and covered their mouths, but I just smirked.

I don't know who were those fanboys giving it 8.5 on imdb.
I'm not a hater, I'm usually easy-going with movies, I enjoy even Alien 3 or 4, or Life, or Gravity. But this Covenant is beyond redemption.
 
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Doctor Omega

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Next “Alien” To Film Early-Mid 2018?


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Even though “Alien: Covenant” doesn’t start opening in cinemas around the world until tomorrow, those involved in the 20th Century Fox production have been talking it up, including the project’s director Ridley Scott.

Speaking with IGN UK, Scott revealed he’s surprisingly already got some of the schedule set for the next fillm – one that will NOT be called “Alien: Awakening” as previously rumored:”we’re writing [a sequel] now, as we speak. I’ll be filming that within 14 months.

Additionally he talked about Neill Blomkamp’s now defunct “Alien” film which Scott confirms has effectively been killed.:

“They wanted to do Alien, er, Awakening – Neill Blomkamp. I said fine. I was going to be the producer. If I could have, I would have. Except I do question – why have both [Blomkamp’s Alien and Scott’s Alien] out there? It seems like shooting your big toe off – it doesn’t make sense.

But they didn’t go forward with it, Fox, so I just kind of kept out of it. I mean, I’d literally ignited this thing to bring it off the ground again, because it was lying there dormant on a shelf. I had this thing to bring it back up – but here we are.”

“Alien: Covenant” will open in cinemas on May 19th.
 

Doctor Omega

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Scott Dials Back On “Alien” Sequel Plans


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Last month filmmaker Ridley Scott made comments which tried to clear up the confusion over his plans for the future of the “Alien” franchise, but ultimately only made things more complicated.

After revealing that Fox had effectively killed Neill Blomkamp’s “Aliens” sequel in its crib, Scott indicated that 2012’s “Prometheus” and this month’s ‘Covenant’ would serve as the first two entries in a trilogy of films leading directly into the original 1979 “Alien”.

On top of that, there was talk of ANOTHER trilogy of films on the way, which would also take place in between the time of ‘Covenant’ and “Alien”.

Now he’s stepping back from those comments a bit, telling Yahoo UK this week that he’s not so sure of how many more he’ll do:

“I don’t know. [I’ll make] maybe two more [films], or maybe one more, I don’t know.”

Scott, who this week said the next ‘Alien’ will get in front of cameras within fourteen months, also says the failure of “Prometheus” was partially his fault for not listening to audiences:

“We discovered from it that [the fans] were really frustrated. They wanted to see more of the original [monster] and I thought he was definitely cooked, with an orange in his mouth. So I thought: ‘Wow, OK, I’m wrong’. The fans, in a funny kind of way – they’re not the final word – but they are the reflection of your doubts about something, and then you realize ‘I was wrong’ or ‘I was right.’ I think that’s where it comes in. I think you’re not sensible if you don’t actually take [the fans’ reaction] into account.”

Reviews for ‘Covenant’ have proven surprisingly divisive with a real split in critics of some who love and some who hate, leading to the overall critical aggregate scores that are currently on par with “Prometheus”. Also, a VR promo called “Alien In Utero” for the film has gone online. Check it out below:



 

Janine The Barefoot

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Well crap!!!!! I, unfortunately was an avid fan of Penny Dreadful (seasons 1 & 2) and after JL quite effectively nuked his own show with no effort whatsoever to give any peace to his fans and then went on to lie about all of it (which we at IMDb both researched and proved) to everyone and anyone he could get to listen and then finally dragged EG into it the whole bloody mess to be his mouth puppet.....

Well.... I swore publicly that I'd never have anything to do with a product that had his name on it again. I believe that anyone with so little regard not only for their fans but also for their own creations, characters and stories deserves to be treated with exactly that same regard. Ergo, none. Which, if I intend to remain true to my word, means I won't be attending a movie I've been waiting years to see.

Because I did like Prometheus. I still watch it and still find it a myriad of mystery and a wonder to behold on the screen (although this movie also proves that some films just have to be seen on the big screen). But here I sit, stuck with the choice of missing a film I very much want to watch and the need to honor my word, if only to myself.... So, no. I won't be buying a ticket for the film, I won't buy the DVD and I'll have to wait and decide If I'm willing to be "counted" as one of the many who view it for free when it becomes available to stream... Because I'm inclined to think that if I can be "counted" then I won't. I vowed I would never offer my support to the man in any future venture he was attached to and I laid out any number of arguments to support that belief.

So, like the Victor Salva question, I know where I have to come down and I will stick to that because I honor my word and because I won't surrender it just because it becomes inconvenient or now applies to another movie I really want to see. I want to see JC part 3 as well. But I'm not going because that monster used his art in pursuit of something evil and offensive. Logan may have not gone quite that far but he did, however you look at it, abandon his fans and his creations demonstrating a complete lack of regard for both. None of the above is the behavior of an artist or serves to qualify the person involved as being one. One used his art to ruin the life of a child and the other didn't honor any of the tenements of his art at all. As I see it, that invalidates both of their rights to express their art and requires that I not contribute to any profit they may stand to make from it.

Crazy? Probably. Over-the-top? Yeah, most likely.... but I'm not asking anyone to join me. I'm just saying that I've established some principles where this is concerned and it doesn't seem to me that I get to put them back down again because these are movies I've been waiting for and really want to see. My word means more to me than any movie or any view of said word ever will. But at least in the end, you know that if I make a promise, I'm going to keep it. regardless of what it means to me or anyone else.

Crazy? Probably. Over-the-top? Yeah, most likely.....

But, you know.... Wacky Norwegian Woman! There's really nothing you can say or do about it.... it just is!

:emoji_kiss::emoji_dancer: And no dancing anything for anybody cause this situation is rather like a certain Norwegian Blue Parrot..... and part of the fun is the "Huh?" that comes along with it for the ride!
 

Doctor Omega

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“Alien: Covenant” Tops Quiet Box-Office

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Ridley Scott’s “Alien: Covenant” underwhelmed at the box-office this weekend, the sci-fi horror tale taking in just $36 million in its domestic debut.

That domestic debut pushed it past “Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2” which came in a very close second with $35.1 million in its third weekend. The Marvel film has grossed $301 million domestically and $733 million globally to date.

Reviews, both critical and in audience polling, have been surprisingly divisive over Scott’s sci-fi epic which returns the series back to a more horror-oriented formula after the more loftily ambitious “Prometheus” which opened to a notably higher $51.5 million in 2012.

‘Covenant’ opened a week ago overseas, and by the end of this weekend has racked up an overseas tally of $81.8 million. Coming in at a budget of $97 million, the film could make its costs back – but it’ll be tight.

The Amandla Stenberg and Nick Robinson-led young adult adaptation “Everything, Everything” debuted in third with $12 million, surpassing its production budget.

Kids film “Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul” bombed on arrival with a fifth place haul of $7 million – around half what the previous film opened to. What was an attempt to reboot the family franchise has instead effectively killed it.

The R-rated Amy Schumer and Goldie Hawn comedy “Snatched” fell 61% in its second outing to $7.6 million in sixth, while “King Arthur: The Legend of the Sword” fell 55% to $6.8 million in seventh.
 

Doctor Omega

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“Covenant” Plummets At Box-Office


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All the talk going into the Memorial Day holiday weekend box-office was about how well newcomers like the fifth “Pirates” and “Baywatch” will do. With Friday’s numbers in though, the real surprise is actually a holdover title – last week’s “Alien: Covenant”.

Ridley Scott’s sci-fi creature feature dropped a whopping 80% at the box office Friday-to-Friday on its second weekend – falling from a $15 million opening day to just $3 million yesterday. That follows on from a lower than expected $36 million domestic debut last weekend.

Should that rate hold through Saturday and Sunday, it would be one of the ten biggest second-week drops of all time. To be fair “Prometheus” dropped 73% on its second Friday back in 2012, but it also started from a higher $51 million opening weekend position.

Scott spoke with Collider recently and says there wasn’t much in the way of deleted scenes – around 15-20 minutes of the film didn’t make the theatrical cut with most of it being edits for pacing.

‘Covenant’ has made $136 million worldwide to date from a production budget of $97 million.
 

Janine The Barefoot

Wacky Norwegian Woman
I hate to admit it but..... why am I not surprised???????????

:emoji_kiss::emoji_dancer: DBs for having to replace a shredded front tire on a day when most of the tire shops are closed! :emoji_dancers::emoji_dancers::emoji_dancers::emoji_dancers::emoji_dancers:
Ahhhhhh, now I'm smiling!

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Doctor Omega

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Lindelof On Where Another “Alien” Could Go


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Writer/producer Damon Lindelof has had a bit of a creative resurgence of late with HBO’s “The Leftovers” leading to him getting some of this best career notices since his work on the early days of “Lost”.

At one time not that long ago though, fans had big issues with him – issues that came to a head with Ridley Scott’s “Alien” prequel project “Prometheus” which he wrote. Lindelof didn’t return for the follow-up “Alien: Covenant” which surprisingly made “Prometheus” retrospectively better.

Nevertheless he’s seen it and speaking with Collider this week, he says he’s had enough conversations with Scott to be “well informed of the director’s intentions.” He also suggested the direction another film might take:

“I think that one of the conversations that we had at the end of ‘Prometheus’ is, Shaw and David have basically locked in on the coordinates of the planet where the Engineers came from. What does that place look like? Ridley called it Paradise. What happens when they land on that planet? It doesn’t feel like they’ve gotten there yet in ‘Covenant.’

‘Covenant’ felt like it maybe was a detour prior to them arriving at the place of origin so I don’t want to spoil any place that he might still be wanting to go, but the conversations that he and I had about where the story goes next were largely about the place where the Engineers were from and less the events of ‘Covenant’.”

The big question of course is with “Alien: Covenant” having proven a disappointment at the box-office and a surprisingly divisive film amongst critics, will Scott get his chance for a third film?
 

Doctor Omega

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Truth be told, Elessar, I have yet to see it myself, simply due to circumstance, but this will change in a few days.

I love the first four Alien movies - to wildly varying degrees - with Alien 3 probably being my favourite of all.

Prometheus was a huge disappointment for me, when the revelation of exactly what the Space Jockey was occurred. This blighted my viewing at the time - and it was not until I recently gave Prometheus a second viewing that I was able to appreciate what qualities it has.

Once I have seen this one I will be back here.I just read your review, earlier in this thread. It doesn't sound too promising, based on your assessment. But sometimes, with lowered expectations, I can find something to enjoy in a movie. Shame they seem to have gone down the gore route though.

And what about Blomkamp and his cancelled - and now officially dead - Alien 5? Have we been robbed, in your opinion? Personally, I think that they have simply left it many years to late to conclude the Ripley story in such a way, as well as the dubious over-writing of Ripley's poignant ending in the flawed, but worthy, Alien 3. I do believe though, that we will see Alien 5 one day, but in the form of a graphic novel, showing what could have been. :emoji_alien:
 
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Elessar

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Ok, I'll camp here to wait for you :D

Personally I think the Alien franchise is finished for good. Nothing they can bring on the table would add to the original horror. Even Ridley Scott has lost his touch.
 

Doctor Omega

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Yes, it turns out that Alien 5 was actually going to be called "Alien Awakening", which presumably means 3 and 4 were a dream of Ripley's.

Bad news when a studio discards it's own efforts.

Yes, still to see Covenant, but am inclined to agree with you.

There is one option left open to them, I think - and that is an actual remake of the first film.

They may become desperate enough to do that? :emoji_disappointed:



Okay: Update.

Have seen Covenant now and - despite viewing it as a semi-remake of Alien - kinda liked it, although it was no masterpiece.

What saved it from being a total write-off for me was the ending. That ending. Even though it was obvious something like that was going to happen really.

The character of David is the best thing to emerge from these prequels.

If they were to make Alien 5, Ripley vs David might be a fitting way to end the entire franchise.
 
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“Alien: Covenant” Disc Has Plenty Of Cut Scenes


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20th Century Fox has announced the details for the Blu-ray release of Ridley Scott’s “Alien: Covenant” which will be coming to disc on August 15th.

The biggest reveal is that the films special features will include twelve deleted and extended scenes that Scott has made available, adding up to around eighteen minutes of additional footage which didn’t make the 122 minute final cut.

It seems those cut scenes are separate to some of the previously released YouTube ‘Prologue’ cut scenes which are being listed as separate featurettes here – ‘The Last Supper’ clip with the crew members, ‘The Crossing’ which picks up with Shaw & David right after “Prometheus,” and the ‘Meet Walter’ advertisement.

There’s another featurette dubbed ‘Advent’, and a near hour-long “Master Class: Ridley Scott” along with trailers, copies of David’s illustrations, and a commentary track by Scott himself. Check out the cover art below.


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