The Seeker
Member: Rank 6
I want to!!
Oh, boy... There we go again. Listen, you were not present when we discussed this until we were sick of it, and you didn't follow all the arguments back and forth, so I suggest you listen to me before you come to any conclusions, because this group has existed long before you joined, so there's a whole history you don']t know about.
Yes, the name is inaccurate, and I was one of the people to point that out, by the way. But I was in the minority, but I thought an election to choose a name would cheer up the group, so what the heck the inaccurate name stayed.
But it's not that inaccurate. You see, originally the group would watch only cancelled single season shows, so the name is an homage to the spirit of the group. We did an experiment back in 2012 with Night Gallery season 1, but it was an awful experience, so shows with multiple seasons were discarded. As the show that started everything was The Time Tunnel, and it had 30 episodes, we started to refer to the shows as "single season.shows" or "30 episodes or less" shows.
It turns out that some shows had two or even three seasons that did not surpass 30 episodes, so gradually we started admitting two or three season shows as long as they were 30 episodes or less. However, most shows were still sigle season, and it was because of that that the name would stick. Of course these changes occurred gradually along the years.
Finally we chose Twin Peaks. i nominated it because I was under the impression it was a cancelled show, I didn't know there were movies and I considered the 2017 show a sequel. But now in retrospect, I think the choice was not appropriate and we won't make this mistake in the future. Now in hindsight I can see that Twin Peaks is one big story that started in1990, continued in the movies and ended in the sequel/Season 3.
OK, this is getting a little surreal. Until yesterday I was organizing the group, and I can guarantee you that in no moment we referred to ourselves as IMDF Sages. I don't know if someone else has used it and I don't really care, because I practically started this group and if we had ever used that name for sure I would know it.
Then, yesterday I reclaimed the "Sages of the Single Season" name and, as my last act as coordinator, I renamed it Blake's Sages. Of course you can change that, but then I suggest an election should be held so everybody else is heard. You seem to have a good point for IMDF Sages, so I suggest you present it to the group with the same eloquence you presented it to me. And let the majority decide, as the majority decided last time (not with my particular Blake's wisecrack).
I relinquished the coordination of the group in which Blake's 7 was being viewed, because I don']t know the show and I don't want to dedicate to to a group about long-running series. Well, if I'd known that I would be forced to leave the group I've led for several years,and there would be some sort of coup, I wouldn't have asked him, evidently.
I'm pretty confused now. You guys want to do Blake's 7, you do Blake's 7. You didn't even need me or my group. you guys could've organized something out of your Blake's 7 board. I've watched the pilot and I'm curious to see where this is going, but it's not my priority. You wanna do Star Cops as well? Fine, do it.
As for me, I've just finished Twin Peaks, Brimfin and I. Cloister also said he was interested in continuing after he dropped in the middle of Twin Peaks. My plan is to move on to the next single season show and continue as we were doing before, which I plan to do, unless you say I'm no longer welcome in this forum, in which case I'll leave. But I can't believe things could get to this point.
One more thing. Obviously the name "Sages" isn't copyrighted, and even copyright laws have never prevented theft, but from what's fair, the name Sages doesn't belong to you. It's part of my baggage which I'm sharing here, but if I can't organize the Star Cops board for some reason I'll move to another show and that will be the Sages.
This has already been explained. 30 episodes or less. It's a whole process you didn't witness and know nothing about. Well, now you know a lot about it, actually, since I've explained this to you.
The original spirit of the group is watching CANCELLED SHOWS of 30 episodes or less. Not mega hits that lasted several seasons and were properly finished. What bothers me is that you have no idea what we were doing, all our history for over many years and yet you seem to want to draw final conclusions based on bits you got here and there.
The Blake's 7 fans seemed like a pretty uniform group to me, and you all massively voted for Blake's 7 and ignored the reality of our (dying I admit) group. That is, only cancelled shows. So, by doing Blake's 7, obviously it's a different thing. I don't know why you and I can']t both have the things that will give us pleasure.
This was supposed to be lighthearted fun, but now is beginning to look more like a hostile take-over.
The Sages of the Single Season live to fight another day!
It's funny how things take a life of their own sometimes. When our group came to IMDF, it seemed the fertile ground for us to develop the work that is being done since 2011 in the group that, as of the beginning of 2017, was christened SAGES OF THE SINGLE SEASON. We have many years of fun trying to figure out why those shows were cancelled prematurely and how they could've been developed had they met a more fortunate ending.
The reason why IMDF was chosen was specifically because of a brief but meaningful exchange I had with @Alex Vojacek who showed a very kind and captivating attitude, and really got me excited about coming here. In fact it's a pity I never heard of him again.
Anyway, we did Kolchak, then Twin Peaks and now would move on to the third show on IMDF. Unfortunately, Twin Peaks exhausted all our strengths and in the end, only @Brimfin and I (@Mad-Pac) remained.
Then we had a nice surprise. A new influx of people, mostly from the Blake's 7 board showed up and showed interest to add to our contingent. But unfortunately they didn't seem to be interested in the single season factor anymore, which I lamented, but that's life.
Anyway, an election was made and Blake's 7 won fair and square. I actually watched the pilot and felt excited enough to go on with it, so I'll be posting on the Blake's 7 as well.
At the last minute, however, I made the decision not to let the idea of the single season shows to die. A couple of friends had told me they would like to continue as well.
Considering that, I had the idea of taking the second most-voted show and, since it was a single season show, Star Cops was selected as the show to continue the "Sages of the Single Season" saga.
However, as I thought organizing the Blakes 7 board and the Star Cops board would be too much for me, and, considering that I know nothing about Blake's 7 and everybody else knows a lot and most have seen the episodes several times, I thought a die-hard Blake's 7 fan would be the best person to organize that board, so I asked in good faith Michael to help me with that.
Unfortunately, a terrible misunderstanding happened. For some reason I won't even try to understand now, Michael thought I was abandoning the Sages of the Single Season altogether, and before I could announce our project here, he beat me to it and has started the board. And seems to be doing a wonderful job from what I see.
I don't know why this misunderstanding occurred. Perhaps his refusal to hear. Perhaps the fact English is not my native language and my command of the language is far from perfect. I don't know. The fact is, now an awkward situation has been created.
But I want to continue and revitalize the "Sages of the Single Season" as best as we can.
I'd like to know what you guys think about it.
It's funny how things take a life of their own sometimes. When our group came to IMDF, it seemed the fertile ground for us to develop the work that is being done since 2011 in the group that, as of the beginning of 2017, was christened SAGES OF THE SINGLE SEASON. We have many years of fun trying to figure out why those shows were cancelled prematurely and how they could've been developed had they met a more fortunate ending.
The reason why IMDF was chosen was specifically because of a brief but meaningful exchange I had with @Alex Vojacek who showed a very kind and captivating attitude, and really got me excited about coming here. In fact it's a pity I never heard of him again.
Anyway, we did Kolchak, then Twin Peaks and now would move on to the third show on IMDF. Unfortunately, Twin Peaks exhausted all our strengths and in the end, only @Brimfin and I (@Mad-Pac) remained.
Then we had a nice surprise. A new influx of people, mostly from the Blake's 7 board showed up and showed interest to add to our contingent. But unfortunately they didn't seem to be interested in the single season factor anymore, which I lamented, but that's life.
Anyway, an election was made and Blake's 7 won fair and square. I actually watched the pilot and felt excited enough to go on with it, so I'll be posting on the Blake's 7 as well.
At the last minute, however, I made the decision not to let the idea of the single season shows to die. A couple of friends had told me they would like to continue as well.
Considering that, I had the idea of taking the second most-voted show and, since it was a single season show, Star Cops was selected as the show to continue the "Sages of the Single Season" saga.
However, as I thought organizing the Blakes 7 board and the Star Cops board would be too much for me, and, considering that I know nothing about Blake's 7 and everybody else knows a lot and most have seen the episodes several times, I thought a die-hard Blake's 7 fan would be the best person to organize that board, so I asked in good faith Michael to help me with that.
Unfortunately, a terrible misunderstanding happened. For some reason I won't even try to understand now, Michael thought I was abandoning the Sages of the Single Season altogether, and before I could announce our project here, he beat me to it and has started the board. And seems to be doing a wonderful job from what I see.
I don't know why this misunderstanding occurred. Perhaps his refusal to hear. Perhaps the fact English is not my native language and my command of the language is far from perfect. I don't know. The fact is, now an awkward situation has been created.
But I want to continue and revitalize the "Sages of the Single Season" as best as we can.
I'd like to know what you guys think about it.
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That was exactly what I had in mind. This is why I came up with the idea of two concomitant shows. One long-running, one short. This way everybody would get what they came from. Same way there are forums for different shows and subjects, I was thinking the same could apply for multipke-season shows and for short-lived cancelled one's. The rationale is the same.
And I'm really sorry if you consider the name SAGES OF THE SINGLE SEASON divisional, something so negative that just be killed immediately. The name was decided democratically and with the best intent we could think of, and *literally* was the name of our group until Saturday. And the name we've been using since we did Kolchak the Night Stalker! And now I'm really surprised that people that never took part of that experience and don't really understand why we chose that name, now cone here to criticize it as something divisive and objectionable.
It is a bit surreal how we debated and voted and finally chose this name, and It was the name of our TV club so to speak, a name that has a kind and positive history attached to it and now people who have nothing to do with this come and tell me "No, this is not the correct name. Sages of the Single Season is divisive and slightly offensive. The correct term is just Sages or IMDF Sages or what have you." You may not lkje the name, but it means something to me, something I wanted to share with new friends.
And what's the problem with something being divisive anyway. Forums are *divided* in different titles, categories and subjects because that helps organization in specific areas of interest, so people can find what they want and need. The problem is that the word "divisive" has been appropriated by the political discourse as something negative. So we have the "divisive" candidate, the bad you, and the "unity" candidate, the good guy every candidate claims to be. But there's nothing wrong per we with dividing thinfsvand people in groups. In our case, some people will prefer long shows, and some will prefer short shows and both shoukd be able to find what they want. And people shouldn't be deprived of this choice in the name of a supposed "unity" ideal.
As for what I said about Michael's work, I said it and repeat it. It's not the quality of Michael's worknthst is in question. The thing is that I asked him a favorite do one thing, and he did that thing... and yet another thing wd had nit talked about. If he had at least *asked* me ("Hey, Mario, I'd like to run the Star Cops board as well because I love this show. Is that OK with you?") at least we would've talked about ig, bug instead, as soon as the board opened hd decided to manage it and them just informed of his decision as a fait accompli.
As for the "controversial" tag, now you're going to give me a hard time for that as well? Well, we only have so many tags to choose from, so this is not news or a review or a poll, so "controversial" seemed close enough and no, there's no "melodramatic" tag otherwise of course I would've picked that.
Finally am I too dramatic? Thus reminds me if a comedy I saw a long time ago. The main couple was played by Julie Andrews and Marcello Mastroianni. They were in a very difficult situation, and he was having problems to control himself. As he was about to panic, she looked at him seriously and said, "Really? Can't you be a little more English." I had a good laugh then.
So, answering the question, no I'm not too dramatic. I'm absolutely average and normal. Just like everyone else here.
ant-mac
Member: Rank 9
WHAT NEXT FOR THE SAGES...?
So, fellow IMDF Sages IMDF Sage apprentices and non-IMDF Sage guests, just as Mad-Pac has previously indicated in an earlier post on the TWIN PEAKS forum - and like the Sages have always done after the completion of a TV show - it's now time to present nominations for the next TV show.
In keeping with the precedent set down by Mad-Pac, I'll divide the nominations in two categories.
01. Standard IMDF Sage nominations.
As always, people can nominate a cancelled TV show or miniseries, preferably contained in a single season or 30 episodes or less. You can nominate as many as you wish. The more the merrier. However, in the interests of inclusiveness - a very important factor here on IMDF - please limit yourself to TV shows available on YouTube. Obviously, it is important that everyone who wishes to participate can do so.
In order to tell TV show nominations and chatter apart, please write the name of the TV show you wish to nominate in bold red lettering. For example:
1. CATWEAZLE
2. MOONBASE 3
3. THE OMEGA FACTOR
2. Non-standard IMDF Sage nominations.
In this part anything goes.
Any single season:
Season 1 of ONE STEP BEYOND.
Or a couple of seasons:
Season 2 and 3 of BLAKE'S 7.
Or a story arc:
THE BRINGERS OF WONDER, parts 1 and 2 of SPACE 1999.
Again, please write the name of the TV show you wish to nominate in bold red lettering.
And finally, this is a thread for nominations only. These nominations will not count as votes. Votes will be made on a separate thread.
So, fellow IMDF Sages IMDF Sage apprentices and non-IMDF Sage guests, just as Mad-Pac has previously indicated in an earlier post on the TWIN PEAKS forum - and like the Sages have always done after the completion of a TV show - it's now time to present nominations for the next TV show.
In keeping with the precedent set down by Mad-Pac, I'll divide the nominations in two categories.
01. Standard IMDF Sage nominations.
As always, people can nominate a cancelled TV show or miniseries, preferably contained in a single season or 30 episodes or less. You can nominate as many as you wish. The more the merrier. However, in the interests of inclusiveness - a very important factor here on IMDF - please limit yourself to TV shows available on YouTube. Obviously, it is important that everyone who wishes to participate can do so.
In order to tell TV show nominations and chatter apart, please write the name of the TV show you wish to nominate in bold red lettering. For example:
1. CATWEAZLE
2. MOONBASE 3
3. THE OMEGA FACTOR
2. Non-standard IMDF Sage nominations.
In this part anything goes.
Any single season:
Season 1 of ONE STEP BEYOND.
Or a couple of seasons:
Season 2 and 3 of BLAKE'S 7.
Or a story arc:
THE BRINGERS OF WONDER, parts 1 and 2 of SPACE 1999.
Again, please write the name of the TV show you wish to nominate in bold red lettering.
And finally, this is a thread for nominations only. These nominations will not count as votes. Votes will be made on a separate thread.
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Nice surprise Ant Mac, I like the idea of quickly moving on to the next show. You've done this in Mad Pac style too, and after Star Cops not exactly hitting the right note I'm sure he'll be keen to move quickly too.
Yes I like your Catweazle nomination, also the two you used in your example;
Moonbase 3 and Omega Factor
Think I'll edge toward Catweazle....for now.
OK, I side the enthusiasm is huge to move on, and you caught me by surprise. Normally we wait for Brimfin's "Current show by the numbers" and only then we start talking about the next show. But since this discussion has already been started, then, so be it.
It is also a good time to acknowledge that despite all the problems that would arise in doing something for several years, since groups naturally fall apart and people move on to different interests, I find it amazing that our little experiment has endured so far. Something that was started around 2009 and still goes on. The first iteration of The Group started around 2009 and along the way, new people were added such as me, then brimfin and Michael. We stayed in IMDB until the very end. After that we moved to TMDB for a short period of time, then we came here.
The name "Sages of the Single Season" was made official on November 20th, 2016. Perhaps it could be time to vote for a new name, but until some official election takes place, the name we brought it the name we bear. However, to my joy and surprise the name "SAGES" caught on and as the rest of this site likes the name SAGES as well, you have all my support to use it as well. Thus the "IMDF SAGES" were also born, and the group is currently doing the first season of "Blake's 7."
The reason Star Cops was also picked was to make it possible to please everybody, so those people who want to delve into regular TV shows that span for many seasons, have the option to follow the adventures of the IMDF Sages. And those who want to maintain the traditional spirit of our show and only cover short-lived TV shows, stay here with the Sages of the Single Season. After all, if would make absolutely no sense to have to have two simultaneous forums with the same type of content, so it is great that now we have an option.
That being said, this entry here is just to present the nominations. We 're not doing votes yet.
Originally, we would nominate two shows and then vote for three. the reason the number of votes is bigger is that each participant would be challenged to cast at least one vote for a show they didn't nominate. As we learned later, in very small groups, such a small amount of nominations would often result in a tie. So, we changed the nominations to three and the votes to five, so now the participant is challenged to pick two more shows besides his or her nominations.
So, please now NOMINATE UP TO THREE SHOWS you think would be appreciated by our group. Remember, these are short-lived shows, preferably one season shows or miniseries, but the show may have two or even three seasons, as long as the total number of episodes doesn't surpass 30.
Since red has already been adopted in the beginning of this thread, red it is. Write the nominations in read. Also, please, please, link the show's name to its IMDB page so we know the show exists and fit all of our criteria.
Let's check this by Sunday then and see how many nominees we have and then we'll star voting.
Let's have fun.
It is also a good time to acknowledge that despite all the problems that would arise in doing something for several years, since groups naturally fall apart and people move on to different interests, I find it amazing that our little experiment has endured so far. Something that was started around 2009 and still goes on. The first iteration of The Group started around 2009 and along the way, new people were added such as me, then brimfin and Michael. We stayed in IMDB until the very end. After that we moved to TMDB for a short period of time, then we came here.
The name "Sages of the Single Season" was made official on November 20th, 2016. Perhaps it could be time to vote for a new name, but until some official election takes place, the name we brought it the name we bear. However, to my joy and surprise the name "SAGES" caught on and as the rest of this site likes the name SAGES as well, you have all my support to use it as well. Thus the "IMDF SAGES" were also born, and the group is currently doing the first season of "Blake's 7."
The reason Star Cops was also picked was to make it possible to please everybody, so those people who want to delve into regular TV shows that span for many seasons, have the option to follow the adventures of the IMDF Sages. And those who want to maintain the traditional spirit of our show and only cover short-lived TV shows, stay here with the Sages of the Single Season. After all, if would make absolutely no sense to have to have two simultaneous forums with the same type of content, so it is great that now we have an option.
That being said, this entry here is just to present the nominations. We 're not doing votes yet.
Originally, we would nominate two shows and then vote for three. the reason the number of votes is bigger is that each participant would be challenged to cast at least one vote for a show they didn't nominate. As we learned later, in very small groups, such a small amount of nominations would often result in a tie. So, we changed the nominations to three and the votes to five, so now the participant is challenged to pick two more shows besides his or her nominations.
So, please now NOMINATE UP TO THREE SHOWS you think would be appreciated by our group. Remember, these are short-lived shows, preferably one season shows or miniseries, but the show may have two or even three seasons, as long as the total number of episodes doesn't surpass 30.
Since red has already been adopted in the beginning of this thread, red it is. Write the nominations in read. Also, please, please, link the show's name to its IMDB page so we know the show exists and fit all of our criteria.
Let's check this by Sunday then and see how many nominees we have and then we'll star voting.
Let's have fun.
Here are my three nominations (retconned)
1. Welcome to Paradox (1998)
2. Dead Like Me (2003)
3. Awake (2012)
1. Welcome to Paradox (1998)
2. Dead Like Me (2003)
3. Awake (2012)
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https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0063881/episodes/?season=1Catweazle
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0069611/?ref_=m_tt_urvMOONBASE3
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0078665/THE OMEGA FACTOR
Hell, not quite come out as I hoped but hopefully it will do.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0069611/?ref_=m_tt_urvMOONBASE3
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0078665/THE OMEGA FACTOR
Hell, not quite come out as I hoped but hopefully it will do.
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So... you and ant-mac have exactly the same nominations? Sounds like a redundancy to me, as nominations are not votes. and only count once. You could think of three different other shows instead. Just a suggestion.
Actually this is a relaxing change for me, I'll just go with Ant Mac's ideas, can't think of anything else.....a first for me!
No problem there. I just wanted to make sure you were aware you could add your own three nominations at any time you want.
ant-mac
Member: Rank 9
Are they all available on YouTube?
Whatever ends up winning the final vote should be inclusive. This means that everyone should be able to gain access to it. The best way to ensure that is by making certain it's available on YouTube.
Well, in all the years we've been doing this, Youtube has always been a factor but never the decisive one, and thanks to this we've had great television experiences that otherwise wouldn't have been possible. the shows in question arre available online somewhere, and what we've always done is, once a winner was chosen, do our best to find a source for it. In the last case, when I get the video I can upload it to my google drive and send you guys the link.
Don't worry, we've been through that several times and it has always ended well.
By the way, I have just replaced Invasion with Welcome to Paradox, and, as I explained the last time we had a show selection, you certainly won't find it anywhere other than through torrents. If this show is chosen, I'll surely make it available through a link not available to the general public, just to the people sharing our little experience here.
And as a very last resort I can upload the episodes of the winning shows to Youtube myself, which is something anybody can do, but I'd rather send each participant a private link in order to avoid the possibility of having my Youtube channel flagged for copyright infringement.
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ant-mac
Member: Rank 9
That's a perfectly acceptable solution to the situation, should it be necessary.
Fingers crossed that everything goes smoothly.
Doctor Omega
Member: Rank 10
Some offbeat ones from me....
LEXX
GORMENGHAST
STAR TREK CONTINUES
LEXX
GORMENGHAST
STAR TREK CONTINUES
Brimfin
Member: Rank 3
Here are my three nominations:
1. Alien Nation (1989) - 21 episodes (first one double-length) plus 5 movies (optional) - Story of aliens from a distant planet taken in by Earth and living among us. Intelligent, thought-provoking, excellent.
2. Flashforward (2009) - 22 episodes - a global event gives everyone on Earth a vision into the future. People react in differing ways.
3. Mann & Machine (1992) - 9 episodes - show set in the 'future" (probably the past by now, but I don't know what the year supposedly was) where a regular cop is partnered with a female android, who is only just learning about what humans are like. Worth seeing because Yancy Butler plays the android!
My "By the Numbers" is almost ready, but I wanted to wait and see if cloister56 posts a review for the last episode. He's reviewed all the rest and I'd like to have his full input before I finish.
1. Alien Nation (1989) - 21 episodes (first one double-length) plus 5 movies (optional) - Story of aliens from a distant planet taken in by Earth and living among us. Intelligent, thought-provoking, excellent.
2. Flashforward (2009) - 22 episodes - a global event gives everyone on Earth a vision into the future. People react in differing ways.
3. Mann & Machine (1992) - 9 episodes - show set in the 'future" (probably the past by now, but I don't know what the year supposedly was) where a regular cop is partnered with a female android, who is only just learning about what humans are like. Worth seeing because Yancy Butler plays the android!
My "By the Numbers" is almost ready, but I wanted to wait and see if cloister56 posts a review for the last episode. He's reviewed all the rest and I'd like to have his full input before I finish.
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Youtube teasers for Catweazle;
An eccentric wizard from 1066 ends up in 1970 and befriended by a farmboy Edward " Carrot" Bennett. The series shows us among other things the often craziness of our world as seen from a medieval man.
An eccentric wizard from 1066 ends up in 1970 and befriended by a farmboy Edward " Carrot" Bennett. The series shows us among other things the often craziness of our world as seen from a medieval man.
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