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michaellevenson

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As for the other threads of B7 , what I was thinking is that as we do your threads , one by one, Doc Omega or Ant Mac who have the skills, merge the older threads with yours Mad Pac. So what Doc and me have written isn't wasted,but we can add more comments.
Don't go too deeply into reading our threads ,SPOILERS ABOUND.
 

michaellevenson

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Yes, we'll surely talk about spoilers. It's funny how at this point we seem to have a developed a procedure for everything as a consequence of trial and error.
Also I would understand your reticence if this was IMBD V2.0, a lot of bitching and trolling goes on there, plus abusive language , but here we're all civilized, I hope. Destroy B7 with your criticism and we're in for a awesome time of debating.
 

michaellevenson

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Firstly MP ,I also like Trek but not Star Wars. FX driven material doesn't interest me, I find Star Wars too grandiose to be entertaining.
As for B7 being too British? That's very interesting. If Gerry Anderson after making Sp1999 did B7 what sortof show would we get? Obviously like Space aimed at The States. An American lead man, OK that's acceptable, with a love interest of course. The evil Earth Federation depicted graphically to show it's fictionality, Officers goose stepping and giving Nazi style salutes and Blake fighting for freedom spreading peace tolerance to all.
B7 is none of those things. There are no cuddly rebels. It's very plausible to root for the other side, a force for stability.
B7 really makes you question exactly who are the goodies.
Look at Ant Mac's avatar, a cuddly rebel ?! No way.
 

Mad-Pac

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Also I would understand your reticence if this was IMBD V2.0, a lot of bitching and trolling goes on there, plus abusive language , but here we're all civilized, I hope. Destroy B7 with your criticism and we're in for a awesome time of debating.
I'm not worried about aggressive language. I have a thick skin. But it's not immune to spoilers! And we've had this problem before, with people with the best intentions giving away spoilery information about the episodes, so we have to be careful about that.
 

ant-mac

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That was not the aspect I was presenting. Of course a story has to appeal to you. My example was to explain why it is irrelevant if I believe in literal demons. The good thing about writing a fantasy story is that you don't have to worry about whether it's plausible or probable at all. Unlike with science fiction.
Well, my belief in the plausibility of a story does go some way towards effecting my willingness to watch it.

In my opinion, most science fiction stories have a theoretical possibility of occurring - however remote. However. I generally don't feel the same way about fantasy or supernatural stories.

Mind you. there have been a few exceptions to this rule. I think it might come down to how the story is presented and told.
If what they have in the show had the slightest possibility of happening in 20 years, then by now we'd already be able at least to record people's thoughts with Blu-Ray quality of image and sound. To me, from what I know of technology, that's utter fantasy. OK, so is warpspeed and teleporting, but we've had decades to get used to those concepts. And they wouldn't happen next decade.
1 year is a long time in the field of scientific and technological innovation. 5 years is an eternity. As for 20 years...

What makes you think that civilian populations would have access to all of the same science and technology that governmental, scientific and militaristic organizations have? Many of the scientific and technological developments that these organizations create eventually find their way onto the civilian market - but not immediately and not always.

If that type of technology were currently under development, there's no reason to assume that it's been fully tested or that they have fully-functional versions available for use. Remember, they still have time to get the job done - nearly 20 years.

Besides, look at the amount of time that elapsed between the launch of Sputnik 1 - 04 / 10 / 1957 - and Neil Armstrong stepping foot on the moon - 20 / 07 / 1968. Or the amount of time that elapsed between Albert Einstein warning the US government of the possible dangers behind the German experiments with heavy water and the detonation of Trinity above the New Mexico desert on 16 / 07 / 1945. Both of these achievements were accomplished in well under 20 years, so I think it's a little premature to assume what can and can't be achieved in the field of science and technology in the next 20 years.

As for warp speed engines and teleportation, I believe that scientific specialists are currently working in both areas of scientific endeavour. In fact, I believe they've successfully carried out their first teleportation experiment already. I believe it involved the transference of a single atom or molecule. We're not yet ready to ask Montgomery Scott to "beam us up", but we've begun the journey!
Yes, if one happens to be a hardcore nihilist atheist who is 101% sure there's no afterlife, everything about the theme would seem like impossible fantasy. But in this case, you'd also roll your eyes if you watched Lord Of The Rings, The Avengers or even The Twilight Zone. All silly fantasies.
By scientific definition, it is impossible to give more than 100%. Therefore I could never be 101% certain of anything.

I found THE LORD OF THE RINGS saga to be extraordinarily boring. I tried to get into the story again and again, but I simply couldn't. It was so dull I was almost in tears. I remember having to rewind the film on several occasions, because I had fallen asleep through absolute boredom. I would prefer to watch grass grow - and I hate gardening. I also have similar feelings towards the HARRY POTTER franchise.

I absolutely adore THE AVENGERS. I never grow tired of watching John Steed and Mrs Emma Peel in action. As for the Marvel film franchise, I also like it too. Superheroes generally exist within a scientific or science fiction background. Almost everything you see can be explained away with various real or fictional scientific theories.

I own and have watched through THE TWILIGHT ZONE (1959) at least twice. I put it in the same category as superhero films. Almost everything you see can be explained away with various real or fictional scientific theories. To me it seems to be some sort of unexplained scientific phenomenon that occasionally envelops unsuspecting individuals, or the stories take place on alien worlds, parallel dimensions or other universes that have different physical laws to our universe.
OK, we'll never agree on that and many other points, but at least in terms of critic and audience, the UK version was far superior. I'm not saying that's an absolute criteria, but that's a useful indicator.
Such a criteria has no value to me. The critical evaluation of others - whether they are standard viewers or professional critics - has no bearing on me or my opinion of something. I've always been in the habit of making up my own mind about what I like or dislike.
Yes, they were. I mean, are. English and knighted, and these are objective facts.
My previous post was meant to indicate my complete indifference to their social standing.
To me too. But obviously if the Queen of England decided to knight them, there's something in their life and work we're not seeing. I'm not saying I understand the English any better than you (in fact I gave up trying to figure them out, LOL), but at least we have to acknowledge that they must have had some significant impact in the British society beyond music.
I'd be more impressed in the band QUEEN had bestowed an award upon them all. At least the band QUEEN contains or contained musicians.
I don't think one can seriously deny an artist's cultural and national background as determinant to the art they produce. I speak more than one language, for instance, and with each language the context and references change a lot.
What you think can and can't be done does not necessarily apply to other people. Everyone is different.

Speaking for myself personally, the only time a musical artist's cultural and national background is relevant to me is when I'm listening to the music of native people, such as the Australian aboriginals or the American Indians.
Well, I sure would like to visit your town. It must be full of very good-looking people. My only concern is that I won't fit in.
Why? Are you an ugly fucker?

Don't worry, so am I. :emoji_wink:
Really? Aren't you going to tell me which?
No, I'd sooner let you guess.
Sure. I just think O'Mara has more the type of the traditional hero. Other actors, such as Tony Shalhoub, for instance are simply fantastic, but he doesn't necessarily have the looks of the cowboy who saves the day and kisses the girl in the last shot.
Different actors have different talents - although in my opinion, both O'Mara and Simm have the ability to play good guys and bad guys.

As for Tony Shalhoub, I thought he did very well in the film THE SIEGE.
LOL! It seems you didn't catch the idiom I used. Perhaps it might not be popular in Australian English? "Everybody that is somebody" usually refers to a major celebrity or big public figure. And sometimes it seems every celebrity in Brazil at some point has to try their luck in New York, or get some gig, or at least vacation there. Los Angeles too, but mostly NY.
Don't worry, I understood your idiom.

However, just because I understand an argument, concept or idea, it doesn't mean that I agree with it.

And have you ever noticed that "idiom" is just one letter away from "idiot"? :emoji_wink:
Wow, it's official! I really want to visit your town now. At least for the "ordinary" women. You did get me enticed now.
To say that I live in an actual town would be quite misleading. It's more of a collection of houses, along with a primary school, a fire shed and a hall - I also believe there is a telephone box as well.

And in a previous post, you used an idiom, now I will use one too...
If it's got tits or wheels, it ain't nothing but trouble.
So you'll have to let me know how you get on with all the women.
 

ant-mac

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Big deal. It's ALWAYS a good time to eat! Anyway, I was just thinking, you guys must be some 24 hours ahead of us... Or behind, I forget and am too lazy to check., so it's probably the middle of the night for you now.
I am currently 12 hours and 30 minutes ahead of you.

So if you ever want to know what it's like to live in the world of tomorrow, feel free to ask. :emoji_wink:
 

ant-mac

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Another factor is that, us old BLAKE fans would also find it genuinely interesting to see what someone who is a non-fan thinks of each and every episode; particularly if that person is erudite and articulate, as your banter with Ant-Mac has shown you to be, with you almost, but not quite, holding your own against that legend! (Hey, I'm biased in A-M's favour! It's a sort of, not quite bromance (Avon-Vila) thing, stretching back across years now!)

Even devastating reviews are interesting to read, as we watch sacred cow episodes fall to a brutal and convincing(?) analysis from Mad-Pac!

You might even end up convincing us that the whole show is a load of rubbish, to the point where we would never dream of watching it again. (Good luck with that one!)

Perhaps approach it partly from that aspect; as a bit of a challenge.

So go on, Mad-Pac! Voting permitting, perhaps dive in and give it a go! :emoji_alien:

*Avon/Vila: Again, you need to see the show to make sense of this reference! :emoji_robot:
Thanks for your vote of confidence, mate, but I feel that I currently fall far short of displaying the debating skills that once earned me the nickname of "cyber-mac" on the DOCTOR WHO message boards of IMDb.

Well, as you always say, Vila, you know you are safe with me!
 

ant-mac

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Firstly MP ,I also like Trek but not Star Wars. FX driven material doesn't interest me, I find Star Wars too grandiose to be entertaining.
As for B7 being too British? That's very interesting. If Gerry Anderson after making Sp1999 did B7 what sortof show would we get? Obviously like Space aimed at The States. An American lead man, OK that's acceptable, with a love interest of course. The evil Earth Federation depicted graphically to show it's fictionality, Officers goose stepping and giving Nazi style salutes and Blake fighting for freedom spreading peace tolerance to all.
B7 is none of those things. There are no cuddly rebels. It's very plausible to root for the other side, a force for stability.
B7 really makes you question exactly who are the goodies.
Look at Ant Mac's avatar, a cuddly rebel ?! No way.
 

michaellevenson

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Yes we know who we all cheer for, but Mad Pac said he often ends up cheering for the other side. In B7 it's possible to construct a case against Blake and chums as Kayn did in Breakdown or remember Cally and Blake in Star one. So Mad Pac could be an opposing voice in the deliberations, assuming the vote goes that way. Anything is still possible there.
Here's a clever fan vid, really funny , I've protected by spoiler as it has a two second bit that shows an important scene .So TO AVOID SPOILER DON'T WATCH

 

michaellevenson

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One more fan vid from me.
Servalan, what an incredibly strong female villainess, originally the part was written for a man, but Jacqueline Pearce turned the character into something special . No Sci fi show since has had such a strong , evil, malevolent bitch as a recurring player.
In her own words Servalan got a kick from , " destroying a planet by pressing a button"

 

michaellevenson

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Also of course Catweazle would be an incredibly interesting show to do. Here Catweazle, our man from 1066 learns about electricity or " electrickery" The look of wonderment on Catweazle's face as he sees a light bulb is a joy, " the sun in a bottle" indeed
 
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ant-mac

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Also of course Catweazle would be an incredibly interesting show to do. Here Catweazle, our man from 1066 learns about electricity or " electrickery" The look of wonderment on Catweazle's face as he sees a light bulb is a joy, " the sun in a bottle" indeed
CATWEAZLE would definitely be worth covering at some point.

A wonderful TV series.
 

michaellevenson

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This is such an amazing scene, it could never be made today.
A young boy and an old man and a bath. Catweazle thinking the toilet chain is the light cord is inspired. The woman is the housekeeper not the Mother.
 

Gavin

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The last one I got was a couple of days ago was well over $1 500 for about three months.
Wow, what are you using that uses that much energy. I've got a family of 5 (with the kids using electronic devices non stop and the air conditioner running almost constantly over the summer) and I just got my highest ever bill at $920 for the quarter.
 

ant-mac

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Wow, what are you using that uses that much energy. I've got a family of 5 (with the kids using electronic devices non stop and the air conditioner running almost constantly over the summer) and I just got my highest ever bill at $920 for the quarter.
The house is all electric.

Apparently SA is just more expensive.

Thankfully, if I pay by the due date, I get about 25 to 28 per cent off.
 
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