Doctor Omega
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After drafting the above message, he then went home and told his family that he would soon need to find a new job.
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With the level of skill he has displayed as a spin doctor, he'll probably end up working for Trump - briefly...After drafting the above message, he then went home and told his family that he would soon need to find a new job.
Doctor Omega
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Jason Isaacs 'Dares' Skeptical Trekkies To Watch 'Star Trek: Discovery'
Star Trek: Discovery's captain has a feeling he can still win fans over, despite his recent controversial comments.
Jason Isaacs, who will be playing Captain Gabriel Lorca in Discovery, recently issued a rather colorful challenge to fans skeptical about the upcoming CBS All Access series. After Isaacs was interpreted to be 'looking forward' to fans getting upset about Discovery, he dared naysayers to see if they are ultimately able to stay away from the series.
That said, for the few idiots offended enough to tell me
1) to go fuck myself and
2) they'll never watch
1) I'm my top choice
2) I dare you
— Jason Isaacs (@jasonsfolly) August 16, 2017
Isaacs raised the eyebrows of many Trek fans last week, when he gave the following quote to the New York Daily News.
"I don’t mean to sound irreverent when I say I don’t care about the die-hard Trek fans." Isaacs revealed. "I only 'don’t care' about them in the sense that I know they’re all going to watch anyway. I look forward to having the fun of them being outraged, so they can sit up all night and talk about it with each other."
The article featuring Isaacs' comments caught quite a bit of attention online - particularly from Star Trek icon William Shatner.
@jasonsfolly pic.twitter.com/kHUaFncFmk
— William Shatner (@WilliamShatner) August 14, 2017
Isaacs then took to Twitter to clarify his intentions, before adding the 'dare' to Discovery skeptics. He added that he isn't trying to deface the legacy of previous Star Trek captains, despite how the New York Daily News interpreted his comments.
Fun facts
Yours are unfillable boots: I'm going barefoot.
Never mentioned legacies
Said I didn't care about ATTRACTING the diehard fans
https://t.co/SkiUWkh9L9
— Jason Isaacs (@jasonsfolly) August 16, 2017
Fans will just have to see if Discovery is worth all of the hype - as well as the controversy surrounding Isaac's comments - when the series premieres on September 24th.
Star Trek: Discovery's captain has a feeling he can still win fans over, despite his recent controversial comments.
Jason Isaacs, who will be playing Captain Gabriel Lorca in Discovery, recently issued a rather colorful challenge to fans skeptical about the upcoming CBS All Access series. After Isaacs was interpreted to be 'looking forward' to fans getting upset about Discovery, he dared naysayers to see if they are ultimately able to stay away from the series.
That said, for the few idiots offended enough to tell me
1) to go fuck myself and
2) they'll never watch
1) I'm my top choice
2) I dare you
— Jason Isaacs (@jasonsfolly) August 16, 2017
Isaacs raised the eyebrows of many Trek fans last week, when he gave the following quote to the New York Daily News.
"I don’t mean to sound irreverent when I say I don’t care about the die-hard Trek fans." Isaacs revealed. "I only 'don’t care' about them in the sense that I know they’re all going to watch anyway. I look forward to having the fun of them being outraged, so they can sit up all night and talk about it with each other."
The article featuring Isaacs' comments caught quite a bit of attention online - particularly from Star Trek icon William Shatner.
@jasonsfolly pic.twitter.com/kHUaFncFmk
— William Shatner (@WilliamShatner) August 14, 2017
Isaacs then took to Twitter to clarify his intentions, before adding the 'dare' to Discovery skeptics. He added that he isn't trying to deface the legacy of previous Star Trek captains, despite how the New York Daily News interpreted his comments.
Fun facts
Yours are unfillable boots: I'm going barefoot.
Never mentioned legacies
Said I didn't care about ATTRACTING the diehard fans
https://t.co/SkiUWkh9L9
— Jason Isaacs (@jasonsfolly) August 16, 2017
Fans will just have to see if Discovery is worth all of the hype - as well as the controversy surrounding Isaac's comments - when the series premieres on September 24th.
Doctor Omega
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From all of the news and all of the trailers, I think that the makers of this thing have entirely missed the point of Star Trek.
Gene Roddenberry was a man with many faults. You just need to read Joel Engel, Grace Lee Whitney's and Harlan Ellison's books just to scrape the surface of them.....
But......
He was certainly onto something when he devised the Star Trek show and gave it a philosophy that said that things were going to be better in the future.
One of the attractions of the show was, I think, that - unlike other shows - it said that humanity would better itself and that the crew of a spaceship could live in harmony.
Unrealistic? Maybe. But it was an ideal that we could all aspire to.
When every other sci fi film or show was dystopian, he said that we would make it.
We would survive, thrive, grow and mature.
We would learn tolerance and banish prejudice.
And, no matter what history had shown, we would actually, in the future, aspire as individuals and as a group, to be the best that we could possibly be.
The Next Generation was probably the purest realisation of that philosophy and approach. The entire crew got on very well with one another, thank you - and they were likeable characters, to boot.
That made it extraordinarily difficult to write, conflict being the essence of drama. But, as one TNG writer said, it made him have to think of new ways of writing.
Patrick Stewart spoke once of how he had received a letter from a New York policeman, who wrote that he had terrible days on his job. That he saw some terrible things and that, on those days, his view of humanity was as low as it could possibly be.
But he would then go home and put a tape of the show on - and then he would start to feel better about humanity and about it's future..
What does that policeman now have to look forward to with Discovery?
Lots of explosions. Lots of arguing. An interplanetary war arc for the entire first season. And lots of Walking Dead/Game of Thrones-like "surprise" deaths of regular characters.
Way to go.
This also makes Discovery indistinguishable from all the other "negative" shows.
Yes, previous incarnations of Trek have also railed against the Roddenberry restrictions and, on occasions drifted away from or contradicted that Utopian ideal, but never quite to this degree.
I foresee this show fizzling away with a whimper after two seasons maximum, no more. with the Star Trek name being the only thing that grants it that second season.
Gene Roddenberry was a man with many faults. You just need to read Joel Engel, Grace Lee Whitney's and Harlan Ellison's books just to scrape the surface of them.....
But......
He was certainly onto something when he devised the Star Trek show and gave it a philosophy that said that things were going to be better in the future.
One of the attractions of the show was, I think, that - unlike other shows - it said that humanity would better itself and that the crew of a spaceship could live in harmony.
Unrealistic? Maybe. But it was an ideal that we could all aspire to.
When every other sci fi film or show was dystopian, he said that we would make it.
We would survive, thrive, grow and mature.
We would learn tolerance and banish prejudice.
And, no matter what history had shown, we would actually, in the future, aspire as individuals and as a group, to be the best that we could possibly be.
The Next Generation was probably the purest realisation of that philosophy and approach. The entire crew got on very well with one another, thank you - and they were likeable characters, to boot.
That made it extraordinarily difficult to write, conflict being the essence of drama. But, as one TNG writer said, it made him have to think of new ways of writing.
Patrick Stewart spoke once of how he had received a letter from a New York policeman, who wrote that he had terrible days on his job. That he saw some terrible things and that, on those days, his view of humanity was as low as it could possibly be.
But he would then go home and put a tape of the show on - and then he would start to feel better about humanity and about it's future..
What does that policeman now have to look forward to with Discovery?
Lots of explosions. Lots of arguing. An interplanetary war arc for the entire first season. And lots of Walking Dead/Game of Thrones-like "surprise" deaths of regular characters.
Way to go.
This also makes Discovery indistinguishable from all the other "negative" shows.
Yes, previous incarnations of Trek have also railed against the Roddenberry restrictions and, on occasions drifted away from or contradicted that Utopian ideal, but never quite to this degree.
I foresee this show fizzling away with a whimper after two seasons maximum, no more. with the Star Trek name being the only thing that grants it that second season.
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Janine The Barefoot
Wacky Norwegian Woman
Stargate Universe decided to take the format that had served the franchise so well for 10 years and take it into a "darker, grittier, more unpredictable" storyline and I remember all the old fans of the show going absolutely batshit crazy from the opening "sex in the closet" moments to the death of the show.
I personally hated everything it represented, especially since SG1 had done such a wonderful job of building up the Air Force branch of the armed services in this country. It was also great to see a woman serving and getting promoted who was not only a genius but could handle herself in battle without screaming for help every time things went down the hole. They were a team, a successful team. They fought the bad guys and even though they took serious hits they still kept coming back for more and joked about it in the process. Some of the "fan favorite" episodes are the ones most laced with comedy or most touching and serious.
Stargate Universe took all of that and chucked it in the garbage disposal in the name of being darker and more like BattleStar Galactica (as you mentioned with Discovery) and all it cost them was the entire original fanbase.
I am incredibly grateful to you Doc for this post especially. I don't want my Star Trek to play out like GoT or TWD. I don't want season-long storylines about war while shipmates stab each other in the back. I already live in that world and frankly, it sucks. I go to TV to escape the ugly side of mankind's behavior and if I do watch something that deals with it I want humor and decency included in it too.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a complete and total wuss. I watched and enjoyed some Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and such but I drew the line with GoT after the "Red Wedding" and stopped watching TWD around the end of season 2. I'm perfectly clear about the darkness within the human race. I just don't find it particularly entertaining. So to "Discover" that the producers of Discovery are taking Star Trek to the dark side is almost a relief. I've been struggling with whether or not I really wanted to see it, if I should sign my Mom up for All Access or not and you've just answered all my questions and left me free and clear to get up and walk away from it without a care in the world. In point of fact, the last clip with the "new Klingons" and the bit about 1 girl starting a bloody war just left me stone cold.
This wouldn't be happening if Majel Roddenberry was still alive. She worked her ass off to preserve both his legacy and his vision and the fact that it's her voice on the Star Trek computers stands as a testament to the both of them. Maybe his vision was unrealistic. But I honestly just don't care. I liked his view of the future and man's potential within it to become something greater than even the sum of all our parts. I'm grateful to him for making space look like a place that everyone would and should want to go explore, even if that's not the way it really is. I'm also grateful to you for this post in particular because I finally know that instead of worrying about Discovery, I can just pull out the reruns of any other Trek I want to watch.... so I can feel good about space and mankind's place out in it.
Love you Doc!
Have some DBs on me! 
I personally hated everything it represented, especially since SG1 had done such a wonderful job of building up the Air Force branch of the armed services in this country. It was also great to see a woman serving and getting promoted who was not only a genius but could handle herself in battle without screaming for help every time things went down the hole. They were a team, a successful team. They fought the bad guys and even though they took serious hits they still kept coming back for more and joked about it in the process. Some of the "fan favorite" episodes are the ones most laced with comedy or most touching and serious.
Stargate Universe took all of that and chucked it in the garbage disposal in the name of being darker and more like BattleStar Galactica (as you mentioned with Discovery) and all it cost them was the entire original fanbase.
I am incredibly grateful to you Doc for this post especially. I don't want my Star Trek to play out like GoT or TWD. I don't want season-long storylines about war while shipmates stab each other in the back. I already live in that world and frankly, it sucks. I go to TV to escape the ugly side of mankind's behavior and if I do watch something that deals with it I want humor and decency included in it too.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a complete and total wuss. I watched and enjoyed some Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and such but I drew the line with GoT after the "Red Wedding" and stopped watching TWD around the end of season 2. I'm perfectly clear about the darkness within the human race. I just don't find it particularly entertaining. So to "Discover" that the producers of Discovery are taking Star Trek to the dark side is almost a relief. I've been struggling with whether or not I really wanted to see it, if I should sign my Mom up for All Access or not and you've just answered all my questions and left me free and clear to get up and walk away from it without a care in the world. In point of fact, the last clip with the "new Klingons" and the bit about 1 girl starting a bloody war just left me stone cold.
This wouldn't be happening if Majel Roddenberry was still alive. She worked her ass off to preserve both his legacy and his vision and the fact that it's her voice on the Star Trek computers stands as a testament to the both of them. Maybe his vision was unrealistic. But I honestly just don't care. I liked his view of the future and man's potential within it to become something greater than even the sum of all our parts. I'm grateful to him for making space look like a place that everyone would and should want to go explore, even if that's not the way it really is. I'm also grateful to you for this post in particular because I finally know that instead of worrying about Discovery, I can just pull out the reruns of any other Trek I want to watch.... so I can feel good about space and mankind's place out in it.
Love you Doc!
Have some DBs on me! 
chainsaw_metal1
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I'm with you guys on this. I don't mind Trek occasionally delving into a darker place, but in the end, it has to represent that original vision. In many ways, that's a major flaw of Enterprise. Yes, it was set before the true Utopia began, and the Federation, but it still was too dark a version of that universe. In the end, Trek should be about hope.
And @Janine The Barefoot, you need to check out the rest of the Netflix/Marvel shows. They really are great, and represent that hope for humanity that we all yearn for.
And @Janine The Barefoot, you need to check out the rest of the Netflix/Marvel shows. They really are great, and represent that hope for humanity that we all yearn for.
I can see how the change in format affected the fans of the original shows, but I have to confess - Universe is the only Stargate show I enjoyed. But it is really a completely different show with just some Stargate lore thrown in. It could easily have been a completely original show. But without the "name recognition" of Stargate it probably wouldn't have found an audience anyway.
Janine The Barefoot
Wacky Norwegian Woman
My husband really liked it too. But he was never as geeked out on SG1 and Atlantis as I was either. I don't begrudge anybody who watched and enjoyed Universe. There was a big enough audience to get it at least 3 seasons as I recall (I stopped after E/1) but for the true fans of the original it felt like a bitter, unfamiliar pill to swallow. Which is the feeling I'm getting about Discovery as well.
But the bottom line is that, like wine, if it works for you then it's good!
Janine The Barefoot
Wacky Norwegian Woman
Only 2 seasons unfortunately. And they pulled the plug leaving us on a massive cliffhanger
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Janine The Barefoot
Wacky Norwegian Woman
That sucks G..... I hate it when they do that but I think I remember reading that there was a lot of back and forthing on series 3 and the "no" didn't come down until after final filming had wrapped. Naturally, being egotistically pissed at everyone by then they didn't even ask about a couple of extra Eps. before all the sets were struck. As I recall, you weren't the only one who was really hacked off.Only 2 seasons unfortunately. And they pulled the plug leaving us on a massive cliffhanger
It's not the first show I've had cancelled without a decent end. At least Firefly got a movie to wrap up some of the plotlines. I recall one show called Surface (which was a petty average show overall) finished with a tsunami heading towards the main characters. That's why I now tend to stick to shows that I have a fair amount of confidence won't be cancelled quickly, or wait until they're established before jumping on board.That sucks G..... I hate it when they do that but I think I remember reading that there was a lot of back and forthing on series 3 and the "no" didn't come down until after final filming had wrapped. Naturally, being egotistically pissed at everyone by then they didn't even ask about a couple of extra Eps. before all the sets were struck. As I recall, you weren't the only one who was really hacked off.
chainsaw_metal1
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Like Brimstone, Nightmare Cafe, Dark Shadows Revival...too many good shows get cancelled, but 7th Heaven got how many seasons? Load of crap!
There's clearly no accounting for good taste!
chainsaw_metal1
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I remember a meme going around Facebook a few years back pointing out that Firefly got 13 episodes, but Jersey Shore got 7 or 8 seasons, and asking where the justice was. My sister-in-law balked, because she actually watched Jersey Shore, which would annoy me when she would visit and insist on watching it. She's also one of those who will sit and talk through movies, and then every 20 minutes go "so what's going on?" I don't know, if you'd shut your gob, you might actually follow the plot!
Ah, family. Amirite?
Ah, family. Amirite?
Janine The Barefoot
Wacky Norwegian Woman
OMG G! Are you a Browncoat????? I didn't know that! I've got the whole collection and even though they didn't add any "extras" the husband and I still love it. And how cool is it that 2 years after the show wrapped, they got a movie? And it was incredible!!! I got the special package on Serenity which includes a lot of commentary that's really interesting for all of us Firefly freaks. Oddly enough, I think if the show was on today, it would be huge. Like GoT huge. Too visionary and too far ahead of it's time it was.
I still have questions about Rev. Book's background and always will. He was equally as fascinating as any other character on the show... if not more so. Oh the loss and the tragedy of that loss.... Damn. It still hurts.
Janine The Barefoot
Wacky Norwegian Woman
I used to say that our family put the "fun" in dysfunctional.... As I got older I realized that the comment, in and of itself, was just a way to try and rationalize a painful and scarring history I've spent my whole life trying to get past and get over. Family indeed CS!
chainsaw_metal1
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There's a graphic novel out that explores his past. I can't think of the name of it, but it's definitely worth checking out.
Janine The Barefoot
Wacky Norwegian Woman
That's right! I remember you telling me about that CS. Gotta get off my ass, do some research and find it!
Thanks buddy!
Have some DBs pal, this is great news!