Review DISCUSSION- CATWEAZLE: CURSE OF RAPKYN - Episode 03

Doctor Omega

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Your thoughts on this episode....


Carrot wonders if his father's financial troubles are a result of a curse on the farm, he and Catweazle go to local museum and find an old book that reveals a contemporary of Catweazle, named Rapkyn has indeed cursed the farm which was built on a witches coven meeting place. The hunt is on for hidden cursed stones.
With Peter Sallis


Full Cast List.....

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0537642/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm






On to the next episode....

THE WITCHING HOUR

https://www.imdforums.com/threads/catweazle-the-witching-hour-episode-04.4899/

Back to the previous episode

CASTLE SABURAC

https://www.imdforums.com/threads/this-friday-on-catweazle-s01e02-castle-saburac-duck-halt.4744/
 
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Doctor Omega

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Third episode - and the format of the series seems settled.

Catweazle and Carrott will get into scrapes and misadventures, but things will sort themselves out happily by the end of the episode.

Peter Sallis makes a welcome guest appearance as a museum curator, being.... well, Peter Sallis! I wonder what other famous faces are going to pop up in the episodes to follow?

Sam continues to be a dim-witted stooge. I think it fairly safe to predict that Sam is never going to have much of a storyline to himself at any point and is there just for comic value, but I could be proved wrong.

As soon as I saw the well near the end I guessed that Catweazle would end up plummeting down it with Carrott letting go of the rope. The fact that this happened twice was the only surprise! :emoji_alien:

So, we have a financial dilemma that sorts itself out, either by co-incidence or supernatural design.

The episode ends with Catweazle finding hope in the book, much in the same way that the Astronauts in the Planet of the Apes tv show pinned all their hopes on a computer disk from their crashed spaceship as being the key to getting them back home.

I was going to give this a C, due to a couple of predictable moments and the odd laboured scene, but decided that was a little harsh as the series is just beginning in earnest, so will retain the score from the last episode.....

Grade B
 
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michaellevenson

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Peter Sallis was good in this, and I thought the well scene was funny.
" I can see no stone, but just little stars"
Sam will get an episode about him, an episode where Catweazle lands him in trouble with the law. As always Carpenter leaves it to our interpretation as to whether its all coincidence or magic that saves the day. Rapkyn buried these stones, so if cursed or not they would be worth a few bob to the British Museum, and as Hexwood farm was built on a witches meeting place ,hence the name, it all fits together well.
9/10
 
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michaellevenson

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Yes, I thought Sallis was excellent, as always. One of the great things about shows like this were the very familiar faces that would suddenly pop up during an episode.
I've never seen the Wallace and Gromitt films, but I did realise Sallis was Wallace.
Of course Clegg from Last Of the Summer Wine is his bravura role, and of course he appeared in The Ice Warriors. Also he was due to play Striker in the Davison story Enlightenment, which would have been interesting as I can't imagine Sallis as a cold eternal immoral baddie. No scrub that, ....The Eternals were amoral not immoral. Sallis had a recurring role in Carpenter's next show Ghosts of Motley Hall as Gudgin, the caretaker, the only one who could see some of the ghosts, particularly The White Lady, and wished he couldn't.
 
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ant-mac

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I've never seen the Wallace and Gromitt films, but I did realise Sallis was Wallace.
Of course Clegg from Last Of the Summer Wine is his bravura role, and of course he appeared in The Ice Warriors. Also he was due to play Striker in the Davison story Enlightenment, which would have been interesting as I can't imagine Sallis as a cold eternal immoral baddie. No scrub that, ....The Eternals were amoral not immoral. Sallis had a recurring role in Carpenter's next show Ghosts of Motley Hall as Gudgin, the caretaker, the only one who could see some of the ghosts, particularly The White Lady, and wished he couldn't.
Yes, I thought he did well as Penley and Wallace, but I only ever caught a couple of episodes of him as Norman Clegg.

However, with any luck, I'll be seeing him in action again soon in DANGER MAN.
 

Doctor Omega

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I always particularly remember Peter Sallis in TASTE THE BLOOD OF DRACULA, meeting an untimely end....

And turns out he was in THE PERSUADERS too!
 
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Brimfin

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I had mixed feelings about this episode, although one set of feelings finally won over the other.

As it began, Carrot now had a pet turtle named Beelzebub which he called his familiar. Obviously, he’s being influenced by Catweazle already. Every proud father would like to brag that his son has a pet named after the Devil, right? His Dad complains that he’s been having a streak of bad luck lately and maybe the place is cursed. Now that he has a wizard for a friend, Carrot thinks a curse may be a real thing and goes to Cat for help. My initial reaction was that as a plot this was nonsense – there are no real curses. But I remembered what Mad-Pac said in his evaluation of the show’s premise. You have to pretend that this show is set in an alternate universe where magic is real. After all, CW clearly went to the future by magic; there was no science involved. And we’ve already seen him keep Carrot from talking about him, or the maid from seeing him by use of his magic knife.

The more I thought about it, the more I realized that I accept this kind of thing a lot more than I realized. I mean, I never had any qualms about enjoying BEWITCHED or I DREAM OF JEANNIE, whose respective premises were that witchcraft and genies were real. It was all in fun. Even in drama, I’ve been enjoying SUPERNATURAL for years. But they’ve come up with some truly ludicrous plotlines. I mean it’s one thing to have a premise that virtually all monsters of legend and myth are real. But they even trampled on Scripture one season, with a season-long arc about “God’s sister” who was some being of darkness. If God is the creator of the universe, how could he have a dark sister? If they’d led off with such a concept, I probably never would have watched it. But after it had been part of my viewing habits for over ten years, I was willing to look the other way on this plotline and a few others. Anyway, so for all intents and purposes, in the CATWEAZLE universe magic is real and so are curses.

That being said, there are a couple of weak points in the theory. One is that if the house had been cursed all along, why didn’t they notice it before? Any endeavor there should have been doomed to failure if the place was cursed. Second, Mr. Bennett mentioned that part of his problem was that he was overdrawn at the bank to the tune of 800 pounds. That’s no small sum even today, and would have been worth many times that amount back in 1970. That’s not a curse; that’s poor money management. Don’t spend more than you make, or borrow more than you know you can pay back.

Carrot goes to see Stuffy Gladstone, who works at the museum, to find out if there’s any record of a curse at his father’s homestead. Unfortunately, Cat follows him – unfortunate for the museum that is. Cat knocks down a display of a Norman soldier (apparently not damaging it, luckily), scares a group of schoolgirls with his pet frog (his familiar, from last week), and then tosses books around like garbage looking for one particular old book. As it turns out, the book he sought was propped over the top shelf, so there was no need for his to toss old, antique, valuable books from the top shelf onto the floor carelessly while Stuffy just meekly tells him to please stop doing that. One book turns out to have a broken binder from such bad treatment. CW steals the book he wants and runs off with it. Now, in Catweazle’s defense, I’ll note that the books had not been well cared for, as dust flew rampantly when CW was tossing the books around. Clearly, the museum had not been taking care of them very well either.

Carrot is honest enough to go try and retrieve the book from his friend the wizard, who doesn’t want to give it up because it contains secrets of magic written by Rapkyn another wizard and enemy of Cat. The book reveals that Rapkyn did indeed put a curse on the Bennet’s homestead. He hid two stones – one in the tower and one in the water. Now, does that mean their home has been around since the 11th century? Since CW knew who Rapkyn was, that only stands to reason. Well, I suppose it’s possible.

Anyway, after everybody else taking the pratfalls and getting into trouble in previous weeks, it’s Catweazle’s turn this week. He climbs up into the chimney (the tower referenced), gets the ladder pulled out from under him by Sam and then falls down into the hearth covered in soot. Of course, Carrot gets blamed for all the soot in the house. Later, Cat is dropped into the well not once, but twice – the second time after he shows Carrot the stone he found and Carrot lets go of the well handle to take a look.

But then something amazing happens. It turns out the stones with the eyes that Rapkyn used weren’t random. They came from a statue of a two-faced god (a name beginning with a C, but I think Stuffy had said he later became known as the well-known Janus). The statue had been lent to the museum by the British museum with only one face and the other face thought long lost. Catweazle actually helped to restore a lost art treasure. Stuffy is so grateful that he allows Cat to keep the book he stole – a fair exchange. The museum looks good, Stuffy looks good, Carrot looks good and Mr. Bennet gets a finder’s fee of 800 pounds or more to settle his overdraft. A clever ending. Cat’s street cred has now increased in my eyes. Plus, with the book he now has a trail to follow to perhaps get back home again.

So an episode that looked like it was doomed to a low score ends up getting bumped up to 6 screaming schoolgirls who just think frogs are gross. The humor is still silly and overdone but I see a possibility for improvement now.

By the way: I couldn't expand the image to full screen this week and had to watch it in tiny form. Any suggestions on how to fix that? Thanks.
 

Brimfin

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I had mixed feelings about this episode, although one set of feelings finally won over the other.

As it began, Carrot now had a pet turtle named Beelzebub which he called his familiar. Obviously, he’s being influenced by Catweazle already. Every proud father would like to brag that his son has a pet named after the Devil, right? His Dad complains that he’s been having a streak of bad luck lately and maybe the place is cursed. Now that he has a wizard for a friend, Carrot thinks a curse may be a real thing and goes to Cat for help. My initial reaction was that as a plot this was nonsense – there are no real curses. But I remembered what Mad-Pac said in his evaluation of the show’s premise. You have to pretend that this show is set in an alternate universe where magic is real. After all, CW clearly went to the future by magic; there was no science involved. And we’ve already seen him keep Carrot from talking about him, or the maid from seeing him by use of his magic knife.

The more I thought about it, the more I realized that I accept this kind of thing a lot more than I realized. I mean, I never had any qualms about enjoying BEWITCHED or I DREAM OF JEANNIE, whose respective premises were that witchcraft and genies were real. It was all in fun. Even in drama, I’ve been enjoying SUPERNATURAL for years. But they’ve come up with some truly ludicrous plotlines. I mean it’s one thing to have a premise that virtually all monsters of legend and myth are real. But they even trampled on Scripture one season, with a season-long arc about “God’s sister” who was some being of darkness. If God is the creator of the universe, how could he have a dark sister? If they’d led off with such a concept, I probably never would have watched it. But after it had been part of my viewing habits for over ten years, I was willing to look the other way on this plotline and a few others. Anyway, so for all intents and purposes, in the CATWEAZLE universe magic is real and so are curses.

That being said, there are a couple of weak points in the theory. One is that if the house had been cursed all along, why didn’t they notice it before? Any endeavor there should have been doomed to failure if the place was cursed. Second, Mr. Bennett mentioned that part of his problem was that he was overdrawn at the bank to the tune of 800 pounds. That’s no small sum even today, and would have been worth many times that amount back in 1970. That’s not a curse; that’s poor money management. Don’t spend more than you make, or borrow more than you know you can pay back.

Carrot goes to see Stuffy Gladstone, who works at the museum, to find out if there’s any record of a curse at his father’s homestead. Unfortunately, Cat follows him – unfortunate for the museum that is. Cat knocks down a display of a Norman soldier (apparently not damaging it, luckily), scares a group of schoolgirls with his pet frog (his familiar, from last week), and then tosses books around like garbage looking for one particular old book. As it turns out, the book he sought was propped over the top shelf, so there was no need for his to toss old, antique, valuable books from the top shelf onto the floor carelessly while Stuffy just meekly tells him to please stop doing that. One book turns out to have a broken binder from such bad treatment. CW steals the book he wants and runs off with it. Now, in Catweazle’s defense, I’ll note that the books had not been well cared for, as dust flew rampantly when CW was tossing the books around. Clearly, the museum had not been taking care of them very well either.

Carrot is honest enough to go try and retrieve the book from his friend the wizard, who doesn’t want to give it up because it contains secrets of magic written by Rapkyn another wizard and enemy of Cat. The book reveals that Rapkyn did indeed put a curse on the Bennet’s homestead. He hid two stones – one in the tower and one in the water. Now, does that mean their home has been around since the 11th century? Since CW knew who Rapkyn was, that only stands to reason. Well, I suppose it’s possible.

Anyway, after everybody else taking the pratfalls and getting into trouble in previous weeks, it’s Catweazle’s turn this week. He climbs up into the chimney (the tower referenced), gets the ladder pulled out from under him by Sam and then falls down into the hearth covered in soot. Of course, Carrot gets blamed for all the soot in the house. Later, Cat is dropped into the well not once, but twice – the second time after he shows Carrot the stone he found and Carrot lets go of the well handle to take a look.

But then something amazing happens. It turns out the stones with the eyes that Rapkyn used weren’t random. They came from a statue of a two-faced god (a name beginning with a C, but I think Stuffy had said he later became known as the well-known Janus). The statue had been lent to the museum by the British museum with only one face and the other face thought long lost. Catweazle actually helped to restore a lost art treasure. Stuffy is so grateful that he allows Cat to keep the book he stole – a fair exchange. The museum looks good, Stuffy looks good, Carrot looks good and Mr. Bennet gets a finder’s fee of 800 pounds or more to settle his overdraft. A clever ending. Cat’s street cred has now increased in my eyes. Plus, with the book he now has a trail to follow to perhaps get back home again.

So an episode that looked like it was doomed to a low score ends up getting bumped up to 6 screaming schoolgirls who just think frogs are gross. The humor is still silly and overdone but I see a possibility for improvement now.

By the way: I couldn't expand the image to full screen this week and had to watch it in tiny form. Any suggestions on how to fix that? Thanks.
 

Doctor Omega

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Any suggestions on how to fix that?

I always click on the "D" in the top left of the thumbnail on here.

That takes me straight to the Daily Motion website.

Then, when there, I click on the bottom right of the thumbnail there and it goes to fullscreen.

I just double checked that method on here with this episode and it still seems okay. Hope it helps at your end Brimfin. :emoji_alien:
 

michaellevenson

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I had mixed feelings about this episode, although one set of feelings finally won over the other.

As it began, Carrot now had a pet turtle named Beelzebub which he called his familiar. Obviously, he’s being influenced by Catweazle already. Every proud father would like to brag that his son has a pet named after the Devil, right? His Dad complains that he’s been having a streak of bad luck lately and maybe the place is cursed. Now that he has a wizard for a friend, Carrot thinks a curse may be a real thing and goes to Cat for help. My initial reaction was that as a plot this was nonsense – there are no real curses. But I remembered what Mad-Pac said in his evaluation of the show’s premise. You have to pretend that this show is set in an alternate universe where magic is real. After all, CW clearly went to the future by magic; there was no science involved. And we’ve already seen him keep Carrot from talking about him, or the maid from seeing him by use of his magic knife.

The more I thought about it, the more I realized that I accept this kind of thing a lot more than I realized. I mean, I never had any qualms about enjoying BEWITCHED or I DREAM OF JEANNIE, whose respective premises were that witchcraft and genies were real. It was all in fun. Even in drama, I’ve been enjoying SUPERNATURAL for years. But they’ve come up with some truly ludicrous plotlines. I mean it’s one thing to have a premise that virtually all monsters of legend and myth are real. But they even trampled on Scripture one season, with a season-long arc about “God’s sister” who was some being of darkness. If God is the creator of the universe, how could he have a dark sister? If they’d led off with such a concept, I probably never would have watched it. But after it had been part of my viewing habits for over ten years, I was willing to look the other way on this plotline and a few others. Anyway, so for all intents and purposes, in the CATWEAZLE universe magic is real and so are curses.

That being said, there are a couple of weak points in the theory. One is that if the house had been cursed all along, why didn’t they notice it before? Any endeavor there should have been doomed to failure if the place was cursed. Second, Mr. Bennett mentioned that part of his problem was that he was overdrawn at the bank to the tune of 800 pounds. That’s no small sum even today, and would have been worth many times that amount back in 1970. That’s not a curse; that’s poor money management. Don’t spend more than you make, or borrow more than you know you can pay back.

Carrot goes to see Stuffy Gladstone, who works at the museum, to find out if there’s any record of a curse at his father’s homestead. Unfortunately, Cat follows him – unfortunate for the museum that is. Cat knocks down a display of a Norman soldier (apparently not damaging it, luckily), scares a group of schoolgirls with his pet frog (his familiar, from last week), and then tosses books around like garbage looking for one particular old book. As it turns out, the book he sought was propped over the top shelf, so there was no need for his to toss old, antique, valuable books from the top shelf onto the floor carelessly while Stuffy just meekly tells him to please stop doing that. One book turns out to have a broken binder from such bad treatment. CW steals the book he wants and runs off with it. Now, in Catweazle’s defense, I’ll note that the books had not been well cared for, as dust flew rampantly when CW was tossing the books around. Clearly, the museum had not been taking care of them very well either.

Carrot is honest enough to go try and retrieve the book from his friend the wizard, who doesn’t want to give it up because it contains secrets of magic written by Rapkyn another wizard and enemy of Cat. The book reveals that Rapkyn did indeed put a curse on the Bennet’s homestead. He hid two stones – one in the tower and one in the water. Now, does that mean their home has been around since the 11th century? Since CW knew who Rapkyn was, that only stands to reason. Well, I suppose it’s possible.

Anyway, after everybody else taking the pratfalls and getting into trouble in previous weeks, it’s Catweazle’s turn this week. He climbs up into the chimney (the tower referenced), gets the ladder pulled out from under him by Sam and then falls down into the hearth covered in soot. Of course, Carrot gets blamed for all the soot in the house. Later, Cat is dropped into the well not once, but twice – the second time after he shows Carrot the stone he found and Carrot lets go of the well handle to take a look.

But then something amazing happens. It turns out the stones with the eyes that Rapkyn used weren’t random. They came from a statue of a two-faced god (a name beginning with a C, but I think Stuffy had said he later became known as the well-known Janus). The statue had been lent to the museum by the British museum with only one face and the other face thought long lost. Catweazle actually helped to restore a lost art treasure. Stuffy is so grateful that he allows Cat to keep the book he stole – a fair exchange. The museum looks good, Stuffy looks good, Carrot looks good and Mr. Bennet gets a finder’s fee of 800 pounds or more to settle his overdraft. A clever ending. Cat’s street cred has now increased in my eyes. Plus, with the book he now has a trail to follow to perhaps get back home again.

So an episode that looked like it was doomed to a low score ends up getting bumped up to 6 screaming schoolgirls who just think frogs are gross. The humor is still silly and overdone but I see a possibility for improvement now.

By the way: I couldn't expand the image to full screen this week and had to watch it in tiny form. Any suggestions on how to fix that? Thanks.
Excellent point about JEANNIE, I like that show, and we do readily accept its premise about genies being real for the sake of enjoying the show. However we don't think that it's set in an alternative universe, but our one, which contains something magical.
As Shakespeare had Hamlet say " there is more in heaven and Earth than is dreamt of in your philosophy".
Writer, Carpenter doesn't allow Carrot or any other character to disprove magic, or 100% prove it's real. But yeah, I really like your point, got me thinking, Catweazle just a bit of fun after all, more you engage in the fun the more you get out of it.
 

Doctor Omega

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BEWITCHED or I DREAM OF JEANNIE


BEWITCHED, I knew, but JEANNIE is one that completely passed me by back in the day.

I remember being surprised that Larry Hagman had been anything other than J.R. :emoji_alien:

But then I also found out that he had directed BEWARE! THE BLOB, which is another story entirely!



 
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michaellevenson

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Oh, it does. And I hope to clear up a few things with you. First, I never thought these old threads were a slight against me or the Sages, since they were preexisting. It's OK to have preexisting content in the forums we visit; this has already happen many time. But unfortunately this new system which apparently has been implanted without any consultation or vote and represent a huge departure from the way the Sages were working, which, again, caught me by surprise because nobody voted for this; the system simply was implemented by higher powers. This, in turn, will make it very hard for this iteration of the Sages to work as a group if some people can be in the beginning of season one, while others making comments on episode 15 and others, how the show ended.

The original idea was to simulate a group of friends who would meet for an evening watching a show everybody liked and have a good time, something very different from what is happening. We would move from one episode to another together, and discover things together. And in the process, interacting about our first impressions, as a team. And those who had seen the show would mentor the beginners.

If there seems to be a preference for the preexisting threads and in no particular order, then these "This Friday on Catweazle" threads have become redundant and should perhaps be discontinued and we should all go look for the places where relevant exchanges are happening.

Anyway, I tried to reply to your statement in the original thread, but apparently I don't have enough privileges to reply there, so now besides having different threads that scatter the group all over the place, these some people are privileged enough to use them, while others have to be content with the ones they are allowed to use. This is getting weirdly dystopian by the minute.


Personally I have nothing but respect for you, since our differences are limited to things concerning a very silly TV show not worth losing sleep over. It's some of the thins you did I have reservations about. Confrontation is part of exchanging ideas with people we don't agree with and that possibility is always present when we interact with strangers. It's impossible for us to live in a bubble in our comfort zone and only deal with people who have the exact opinion we do.

What are your plans? Have fan talks in threads where unprivileged people you want to avoid can be blocked and occasionally drop by the official Sages threads? It would be interesting to know because I'm really starting to think repeated threads are a waste and if Doctor Omega's threads are not going, these here have no more reason to exist, in my opinion.
The Catweazle ep 26 thread is locked so no one can use them including me
. It was locked after I posted on there. These Doc threads will be here long after The Sages have departed and the idea is they're for Catweazle chat, so yes I think your threads should continue, I posted on ep3 today replying to Brimfin. People are finding their way to each Blakes7 episode just using Doc's threads, so it'll probably happen here if need be. Actually if you don't do any CW threads, just to reiterate I HOPE YOU DO, but if not, and Catweazle is a terrible experience for you, like the B7 project you can take a break, come back later to it,or not at all. , and concentrate on WTP.
As Doc says, we're free agents.
 

Cloister56

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Right gonna have to be a brief one this week as I'm falling behind again.
Not a bad episode. I did wonder how much the show would embrace magic and the fantastical.
Often shows have one magical or unbelievable element and then the rest of the show is fairly grounded.
A show similar in basic concept to this is Outlander. In that a nurse is transported back to Scotland around the time of the highland uprising. Magic in other forms is hinted at, people seeing the future etc but there is always an alternative explanation. I'm not sure why but I prefer this approach.
In contrast there is a show called the White Queen. This is set during the War of the Roses and the main character and her family are witches. There are several events that could be coincidence but there are also a couple which seem more direct. This creates a problem when rumours start about them being witches. In reality these were baseless accusations as they were women with power, however in the show they are witches so all the "burn them burn them" crowd are technically in the right, which doesn't sit well with me.
Anyway that rant over (told you I would be quick) back to Catweazle.
The curse on the farm is a nice idea, it does seem odd that it is just an offhand remark from Mr Bennet and Carrot runs with it, turning out to be right.
The search for the stones was well done. I kind of hope they get to go on more quests a bit further afield. The riddles were of the standard of The Dark Tower "Look and Learn" series but it is lucky the "tower" was the chimney not some old grain tower long since collapsed.
Also I hope that stone was load bearing or that chimney stack might be coming down next week.

As soon as I saw the well near the end I guessed that Catweazle would end up plummeting down it with Carrott letting go of the rope. The fact that this happened twice was the only surprise! :emoji_alien:
Yeah it was signposted and Carrot looked like a bit of a dick doing it twice, I don't buy it was accidental for a second.

Mr. Bennett mentioned that part of his problem was that he was overdrawn at the bank to the tune of 800 pounds. That’s no small sum even today, and would have been worth many times that amount back in 1970. That’s not a curse; that’s poor money management. Don’t spend more than you make, or borrow more than you know you can pay back.
Yeah I thought when he was having bank trouble it would be a few quid but I did the conversion and in today's money that is £11,640.
That suggest Mr Bennett's been racking up debt for years (which would fit with the curse). Looking back it was clear the artifact would be worth £800 to the museum so it all works out nicely and the events of this week do not affect next.

So I found myself really enjoying this episode, it is nice to see Cleggy looking bewildered as usual.

Best episode so far 8 more stones which, when removed, will cause the farm's wall to "magically" disappear, out of 10
 
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